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The PokÚdex - Extended Fanon Edition:

 6551 Sullen Frog, Sat, 17th Dec '11 8:02:22 AM from Voormithadreth Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
Whisperer in Darkness
Whereas Tiamat had nothing to do with the Epic of Gilgamesh and was a mother of monsters that needed to be slain by a hero.
 6552 Justice Man, Sat, 17th Dec '11 8:21:37 AM from Maryland !
You complete me.
Yes I know but in context, Tiamet makes more sense in being a divine dragon, rather than a supernaturally and artificially made human. Mewtwo would be a better fir for Enkindu. The epic of Gilgamesh actually has a dearth of divine monsters that aren't antagonist to Gilgamesh (it's Mesopotamian, what do you expect) So really, a correlation between the two at all is OOC. Jesus would be a better fir, what with hsi whoel Dragon-tamer thing. it also ties in the Christianity-esque decals of Team Plasma.
 6553 Umbramatic, Sat, 17th Dec '11 8:42:36 AM from WAAPT or PEFE Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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[up] I'm not sure if Team Plasma was an intentional riff on Christianity... at least, I hope not. So yeah, Gilgamesh fits better.

Also, I put the link to my Dream World post under "Geography" since that's the template I used, but should it go in a new section, or even a sub-section of Geography?
"There is no Fermi paradox! Any time space fairing aliens make it to Earth the cows get them!"
 6554 Justice Man, Sat, 17th Dec '11 8:44:35 AM from Maryland !
You complete me.
Eh, I'd give it that, it's just that there are many "Hero bond with mythic beats" myths on Earth and Gilgamesh just isnt one of them.
 6555 Silent Reverence, Sat, 17th Dec '11 8:48:46 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
[up][up]I think I'll later move it to Overview, if it is OK with you guys. The DW is more or less encompassing enough.
 6556 Umbramatic, Sat, 17th Dec '11 8:56:19 AM from WAAPT or PEFE Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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[up] Fine by me.

EDIT: Heck, I've already done it. Still need suggestions for expanding the bottom parts, though.

edited 17th Dec '11 8:58:58 AM by Umbramatic

"There is no Fermi paradox! Any time space fairing aliens make it to Earth the cows get them!"
 6557 Silent Reverence, Sat, 17th Dec '11 11:51:57 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
First stage of the Totodile entry revision is already posted. Basic description, Totodile description, Habitat and Locomotion are the covered aspects, mostly. The entry still doesn't integrate Umbra's artwork proposal.

 6558 Umbramatic, Sat, 17th Dec '11 3:18:01 PM from WAAPT or PEFE Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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[up] Since this is a collab, is it OK if I write the "In Human Culture" segment?
"There is no Fermi paradox! Any time space fairing aliens make it to Earth the cows get them!"
On the superhero topic of pages 259 and 260...

Birdboy's Pokedex (on Fanfiction.net) refers to Machop as the inspiration for Superman and Ariados as the inspiration for Spider-Man. I didn't see these references in either page here, so who do you guys see as the Pokemon world's Man of Steel and Spidey?

As for Darkrai, I really don't think Darkrai works as the Dark Knight, but I also think that Darkrai is the closest thing we have to Batman. This should explain my contradictory posts on Pages 259 and 260.

One more thing... Tiamat = Salamence (as well as Hydreigon since the Final Fantasy Tiamat is a cross between a dragon and a hydra, just like Hydreigon).

edited 17th Dec '11 7:45:52 PM by Jagzariamut

 6560 Justice Man, Sat, 17th Dec '11 9:38:05 PM from Maryland !
You complete me.
We need to stop shoehorning references in just to have them. In my culture that's called "getting cute."

Besides Machop= Superman makes no sense; these people know nothing of history.
 6561 Hobgoblin, Sat, 17th Dec '11 9:57:58 PM from the USA Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Bravely Fashionaaabluh
If there was a Superman Pokemon, it'd probably be one of those aliens like Clefable or something. Even then, the moon hasn't exploded. tongue

I could see a Transformers/Gundam reference for Golurk, maybe.
I love these articles, but I have neither the time nor the skill to contribute.

So good job, everyone.
 
 6563 Umbramatic, Sun, 18th Dec '11 5:32:28 AM from WAAPT or PEFE Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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[up][up][up] Yeah, even as a guy who loves sneaking references in, we can't just shoehorn them.

[up][up] Or Iron Giant. grin

[up] I'll quote Tangent on this: We appreciate appreciation!

EDIT: Any more suggestions on the Dream World? I'm thinking about publishing it soon so I can get to work on resurrecting my Dead Fic.

edited 18th Dec '11 5:36:30 AM by Umbramatic

"There is no Fermi paradox! Any time space fairing aliens make it to Earth the cows get them!"
 6564 Silent Reverence, Sun, 18th Dec '11 6:48:44 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Agree on the shoehorning references stuff. As for Batman, the only thing that I know that more or less fits, like, by tilting head and squinting, is Anime Mewtwo. Tragedy in its youth, a very strong mind, knowledgeable, protects others, capable of operating technology to a high degree, cloaks itself, operates in the darkness and.... stop. Mewtwo does not even have a Rogues Gallery.

Besides, we are supposed to not take stuff from fics as sources, unless they have a strong basis. Storybuilding and all that.


'EDIT: Umbramatic: we already have discussion on the logs about the how and why of Totodile as a Starter and the implications and consequences in its reception and portrayal in human culture. I must grep the adequate conversation before any more thorough theck, so unless someone beats me to the grep, that will wait until I'm ready grepping and working on battle abilities and social structure.

edited 18th Dec '11 8:57:31 AM by SilentReverence

 6565 Umbramatic, Sun, 18th Dec '11 8:55:59 AM from WAAPT or PEFE Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Dream World is wiki'd, but since I want to focus on the resurrection of my Dead Fic, I can't really contribute much (except maybe an addition to the Totodile line revision) until Thursday, when I plan on doing Tornadus.

EDIT:[up] Got it. I'll just work on my fic until I can do Tornadus then.

edited 18th Dec '11 9:07:10 AM by Umbramatic

"There is no Fermi paradox! Any time space fairing aliens make it to Earth the cows get them!"
 6566 Hobgoblin, Sun, 18th Dec '11 10:00:01 AM from the USA Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Bravely Fashionaaabluh
Mewtwo does not even have a Rogues Gallery.

I'm trying to picture Giovanni as the Joker now. [lol]
 6567 Sullen Frog, Sun, 18th Dec '11 10:01:44 AM from Voormithadreth Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
Whisperer in Darkness
Guys, you're looking at this all wrong—Giovanni isn't the Joker, he's Lex Luthor. Clearly, this would make Mewtwo a Superman analogue.tongue
 6568 Hobgoblin, Sun, 18th Dec '11 10:53:26 AM from the USA Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Bravely Fashionaaabluh
[up]...That halfway makes sense. surprised

His backstory fits in more with Superboy, though.
You complete me.
But what about Gilgarman!
 6570 Sullen Frog, Sun, 18th Dec '11 10:58:40 AM from Voormithadreth Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
Whisperer in Darkness
[up][up] And because of that comparison, I'm now imagining an awkward romance between Mewtwo and a female shiny Deoxys. Thanks a lot, Hob.tongue

But seriously, that comparison is quite apt; hell, it even meshes with Giovanni (the Luthor analogue) being one of Superboy/Mewtwo's "parents".
 6571 Hobgoblin, Sun, 18th Dec '11 11:00:03 AM from the USA Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Bravely Fashionaaabluh
[up][up]Isn't he retired? tongue

[up]Indeed.

edited 18th Dec '11 11:00:15 AM by Hobgoblin

 6572 Silent Reverence, Sun, 18th Dec '11 11:41:10 AM from 3 tiles right 1 tile up
adopting kitteh
Unless we are talking about Adam West!Batman... Gligarman doesn't feel like fits to me. Yeah, yeah, I like the DCAU interpretation of the character a lot.
 6573 Geostomp, Sun, 18th Dec '11 11:55:41 AM from Arkansas, USA Relationship Status:
In the name of the POWER, I will punish you!
Giovanni is Lex Luthor and we all know it.
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all" Futurama, Godfellas
Captain America = Braviary, most likely, since most people agree that Braviary is a Pokemon representation on the typical American. (Or is that Snorlax who best represents Americans?)

If we're going to look at Mewtwo as Superman, then Giovanni is Kal-El, Supes' daddy.

The real question is, though... Who's the Silver Surfer, Deoxys? As in the Darkrai/Batman argument, Deoxys is the only real fit for the Silver Surfer.

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