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The PokÚdex - Extended Fanon Edition:
You complete me.Everything I wrote is in line with the game's Canon and fellow tropers. (Mostly from the Cobalion article.) I took the Pokemon that were stated to be associated with the people, gave them a name (they had none) and explained canon in an appropriate way. The only new info was the Origin of Golett and even that was based on this page's discussion. Most of what I have comes from Dex entries and the Relic Castle; the Succession Wars were in the Cobalion article and the dates are what happened when I crossed the dex with IRL time, as was done in the Ball article if a presendent is required. The rest was flavor based on the Lenape; their closest real-world analogue. The names are Japanese puns meaning "Route Four" and "Black and White" respectively. I made no more presumptions than anyone else and I made great care to tie in the article to those written by others that's the exact opposite of unilateralism. The only real thing I noticed was that I referenced a national government, but the berry article gives precedent for referring to analogues to current nations.
edited 7th Apr '11 12:49:20 PM by JusticeMan
Would you be averse to making changes on the article as other people write more about the Pokemon you named?
You complete me.Really? I thought it was the other way around. Seeing as how I explicitly based my article on the Cobalion, Sigilglyph and proposed Golett articles I would assume earlier works take precedent.
edited 7th Apr '11 12:55:36 PM by JusticeMan
The Golett article hasn't even been posted yet.
You complete me.Proposed. You guys said "native ghost in a clay body" and I ran with it. James Turner is the guy who named them IRL.
My article says that the Golett line were discovered in the Dragonspiral Tower in their equivalent of the Roaring Twenties.
You complete me.Ok, I don't see any contradiction.
Galactic Scooter! Full speed ahead!I'm kinda adverse to writing articles that will have to be mentioned in later articles. Unless you're willing to write articles for all the stuff mentioned in that one, it makes whoever writes them somewhat restricted. Also, there are a lot of spelling and grammatical errors in there.
edited 7th Apr '11 1:16:48 PM by Anomalocaris20
You complete me.Well I'm adverse to that because it would monopolize a sector of the canon, I'm game if its required. I'll use my two remaining dibs on the houses of Black and White and Darmanitan articles. ^I counted three errors, all of them by one letter.
edited 7th Apr '11 1:28:20 PM by JusticeMan
Guess Who...?Larvesta/Volcarona's already been done. Also, wouldn't it be more ideal to launch broader articles after its constituent fluff has been finalized?
Hard Boiled Detective Since 1985
I hide the eye for a reason.I think if we include an article about these people, then we're going from premise to plot. This is too much information, and will open the door for a lot of contradiction from newbies and lurkers. I don't think this will do this project all that much good.
edited 7th Apr '11 1:26:16 PM by CalamityJane
Galactic Scooter! Full speed ahead!Agreed with Jane and Tracer. These kinds should be either nonexistent or very limited in number. Although I do like your explanation for Darmanitan's Zen Mode.
edited 7th Apr '11 1:27:33 PM by Anomalocaris20
You complete me.I didn't know Larvesta was done, the Index doesn't have it; I have to remember manually which GEN V Pokemon are done. I don't think there would be that many, the only ones I would see that need doing would be the Houses of Black and White and the Yongosen, as they are explicitly stated as being part of the origin of several pokemon. And since the Yamask, Volcorona, Sigilglyph and soon to be Golett lines are done, I'm just synthisizing all the articles with canon. I talked about this in my preview post, I was just making already canon sources less vague, if it is demanded I'll edit out anything not explicitly stated in another article or a canon source, but editors are allowed to codify canon into coherence; isn't that the whole point of the Project?
edited 7th Apr '11 1:36:17 PM by JusticeMan
Guess Who...?The objective is to make it coherent, but not necessarily to codify it. This project is supposed to be a foundation by which other people can codify the world of Pokemon. EDIT: Also, our index is majorly out of date.
edited 7th Apr '11 1:36:44 PM by TracerBullet
Hard Boiled Detective Since 1985
You complete me.But the only things I wrote were either canon, or written by other tropers.
I hide the eye for a reason.I think including an article about the Yongosen peoples would be too restricting and too solid. This is supposed to be sweeping generalization. Creating solid, unshakable history in the pokemon world that is based off of fanon instead of canon would make this grounds for a plot, not a premise. For example, a random person who wants to make a Pokemon Fanfic about a Frillish could look at the Frillish Article and explore the idea of a society full of the mentally insane. If someone wanted to make a fanfic about the regis they would take into account that Registeel is the most intelligent of the trio, that their bodies are composed of a metal known as 'Regicite', and that there are conflicting origin myths for them. However, If someone wanted to write a fanfic about the Yongosen peoples, they'd have to re-teach it to the audience, mix it into their own, personal fanfic somehow, and explain how it relates to the pokemon world. Again. That doesn't work.
Galactic Scooter! Full speed ahead!The bigger problem is articles affected by that one.
Guess Who...?@ Justice Man: You might want to consider temporarily shelving your article on the ancients, seeing as a lot of the articles that it would tie into are still non-existant. Also, if you're going to write about the workings of a civilization, you're going have to be pretty darn sparse on details that aren't explicitly enumerated by the canon (as in Harappan Civilization levels of sparseness), otherwise it cuts into the ability of fanfic writers to build off of the article.
Hard Boiled Detective Since 1985
adopting kittehI would have been far less concerned if the Yongosen article was discussed up and published after the mainline flow of G5 'dex entries which it affects was done and published. There's too much material in the proposed article that limits other articles into becoming stories, and it is apparently too based off of our Eagleland to taste. As a motive condensation / log article in such instance, it would have worked wonders.
edited 7th Apr '11 2:13:02 PM by SilentReverence
On a slightly different note, how would the Resort Desert Pokemon and Golett have been bred by the same people? Route 4 and Dragonspiral Tower are on opposite ends of Unova.
Outer Cloyster@ Justice: It's an interesting idea, though the points that others have made are relevant. Especially the contradiction part - at some point once most of the articles have been done, we're probably going to have to go over them all to iron these sorts of things out. I'm pretty sure I've already seen one contradiction on Gengar when it's been mentioned in multiple places. The core of the article seems to be their breeding and Pokemon creation abilities. You could probably make a cohesive article on something containing those ideas by drawing in some other stuff. Perhaps something on breeding in general? That's important enough to the rules of the world to need an article. And that is if you don't want to delay it in general. Just throwing some ideas out. @Memyself: Assuming that the people who created Golett are descendents of the people who fought in the War, they would know that they needed to protect the everlovin' crap out of those dragons to prevent something like it from happening again. Why not build a tower miles away from where you live and stick powerful guardians of your own design in there? Then you don't use those guardians again so anyone who is foolish enough to try and go to that tower will be totally surprised by what is there.
edited 7th Apr '11 4:16:04 PM by Smiggins
Ah. Tht would make sense.
adopting kittehAgree. Also, chatroom is available with three of us while I poke (not with my horn though) Tangent around so that he updates the thread index. Don't complain! He asked me to do eeeet! EDIT: a couple of hours later, I've stopped poking Tangent; he's done updating the index. And I got a Leppa Berry!
edited 7th Apr '11 7:14:47 PM by SilentReverence
Okay, I have updated the wiki page index. Holding off on the desert civilization page for now, though it probably has some useful bits.
Get out of my Difference Engine, Rotom!
Outer CloysterI've been thinking, since things like the Omni-sac get mentioned a few times, perhaps we should do an article on common biological features across Pokemon?
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