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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#112351: Dec 8th 2016 at 7:32:55 PM

[up][up][up]I mean. Whether Roxas is aware and whether Sora can hear him are two different things.

Like, Sora hearing Roxas means he's awake. Sora not hearing Roxas doesn't mean he isn't awake.

edited 8th Dec '16 7:35:15 PM by unnoun

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#112352: Dec 8th 2016 at 7:35:04 PM

As happy as the ending was, I would have been unsatisfied had it ended there. That letter and those armored figures nagged at me every waking hour back in the day.

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Kostya from Everywhere Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#112353: Dec 8th 2016 at 7:43:50 PM

The letter can be written off as an And the Adventure Continues thing. The secret ending would probably have to be removed though.

edited 8th Dec '16 7:43:59 PM by Kostya

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#112354: Dec 8th 2016 at 7:45:09 PM

It was kind of necessary honestly. KH 2 wrapped things up pretty neatly. It would have been a pretty good end to the series if they wanted it to be. Of course I'd argue that Roxas, Namine, and Axel coming back as their own people is a much better happy ending than what KH 2 gave us.

I disagree, the ability to move forward with a story doesn't mean you have to keep retreading old ground. That's how we wind up with things like 3D.

I like the sense of poignancy of Roxas and Namine's ending and the irony of Axel's final words. Coming back kind of pisses all over those moments for me.

edited 8th Dec '16 7:45:18 PM by lycropath

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#112355: Dec 8th 2016 at 7:45:22 PM

They can't put stuff in his head but weren't they trying to get stuff out?

I mean.

Sora: "You're... Roxas. How can you be here? Am I dreaming?"

The way that line is structured makes it sound like Roxas being in Sora's dreams is just sorta a thing that happens sometimes?

Like. Literally the only thing Young Xehanort did was give him some ambien then give his dream self some ambien and whisper in his ear all the while, and let Sora do the rest.

Like, not literally ambien, but.

Which. Fits with all the other stuff with the plan. "Aren't hearts great? Steer us wrong every time."

The only thing the Organization did was talk at him. There's no special power or head fuckery there.

The letter can be written off as an And the Adventure Continues thing. The secret ending would probably have to be removed though.

And Xigbar's pre-boss cutscene.

edited 8th Dec '16 7:46:28 PM by unnoun

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#112356: Dec 8th 2016 at 8:18:41 PM

I disagree, the ability to move forward with a story doesn't mean you have to keep retreading old ground. That's how we wind up with things like 3D. I like the sense of poignancy of Roxas and Namine's ending and the irony of Axel's final words. Coming back kind of pisses all over those moments for me.

I'd be a lot happier about it if:

they brought back Roxas and Ventus back as one person.

Axel and Xion stayed dead.


I'm cool with the BBS trio coming back and in fact they're introduced for Sora to save.

But the Days trio should've stayed dead except for maybe Roxas who can be combined with Ventus. Basically make Roxas a continuation of Ventus.

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#112357: Dec 8th 2016 at 9:04:16 PM

Roxas and Ven can't (and shouldn't) come back as one person because they are totally different characters.

Ridas is a Heroic Neutral that only has some overlap with Sora's character. Ven is basically Diet Sora.

Also the Days Trio should come back together because they are the best written. And goddammit Xion deserves to be happy.

edited 8th Dec '16 9:08:46 PM by Karxrida

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#112358: Dec 9th 2016 at 12:47:50 AM

so i finally started up bbs

the writing is...uh, not stellar to say the least. to say nothing of everyone's voices but Ven's.

edited 9th Dec '16 12:48:52 AM by EpicBleye

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#112360: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:49:11 AM

I hated the word "unversed" by the middle of Terra's scenario. And I played as Terra first. However, even though there are some flaws, BBS is my favourite KH so far.

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#112361: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:13:07 AM

Don't worry, Bleye! It gets worse!

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#112362: Dec 9th 2016 at 10:05:31 AM

the command board system is dumb too. it seems like I'm about to get a fucktillion options that more or less end up doing the same thing in the end (outside of, like, magic)

of course i could be wrong- it could just be early game being early game, and by the end of each story I'll end up with a lot of moves that have their purpose.

but yeah everything in the plot seems so forced- but hopefully it'll improve by the end of the game.

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#112364: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:20:43 PM

What am i looking at?

It seems..off

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#112365: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:41:23 PM

Poor Heartless getting slaughtered in their own dimension.Damned Lighties.

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#112366: Dec 9th 2016 at 1:56:18 PM

[up][up] Gula and Ava holding hands? Granted, the screenshot is low quality but it is still discernable. Related to that: Fanart.

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#112367: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:01:46 PM

Why are they wearing animal masks?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#112368: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:05:58 PM

That's what the Foretellers wear.

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#112369: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:17:32 PM

Okay I haven't popped in here in over a year but I must have an answer to one question I have about the trailer.

Who the hell is that guy in the Organization clothes? Because he sure as hell sounded suspiciously like Axel.

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#112370: Dec 9th 2016 at 2:21:14 PM

There are two guys. One is the Foretellers' teacher, the Master of Masters. The other is Luxu, one of his apprentices.

edited 9th Dec '16 2:21:35 PM by Kostya

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#112371: Dec 9th 2016 at 3:02:57 PM

Mo M reminds me a bit of Braig,voice wise.Just needs an As if or two.

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#112372: Dec 9th 2016 at 4:06:24 PM

but yeah everything in the plot seems so forced- but hopefully it'll improve by the end of the game.
It won't. BBS has an Idiot Plot.

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#112373: Dec 9th 2016 at 4:44:40 PM

the command board system is dumb too. it seems like I'm about to get a fucktillion options that more or less end up doing the same thing in the end (outside of, like, magic)

Yes, but it's fun as hell.

Anyway, assorted thoughts:

  • Trailer: HYYYYYYYPE. Nuff said.
  • Roxas and co: Roxas, judging by 3D, seems to be content with just being subsumed into Sora (or convincing himself of it) despite very clearly still existing as his own self. Likely the same is the case for Namine, though who the fuck knows since I don't even think Nomura knows what exactly the deal with those two's creation was, cosmology-wise.
  • Xion's existence, I think, can draw a parallel to Sora's memories of the events of Castle Oblivion. The pieces are still there, but putting them back together would imply breaking the thing from which they stole their original components, again. Like, picture a LEGO helicopter. You take it apart, and use some of the pieces to build a jetski. But then you decide that the helicopter was better, take apart the jetski, and build the helicopter again. The helicopter is whole, and the pieces for the jetski are still there, but they both can't coexist. Unless you get some more pieces, which I'm banking of being the method for Xion's revival (as well as Roxas and Namine and possibly Ventus and maybe Vanitas?), probably through Kingdom Hearts.
  • Black Cloak (was he the master?) seems to be having a degree of fun unseen outside of Axel's best moments.

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Kostya from Everywhere Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#112374: Dec 9th 2016 at 4:49:06 PM

I wonder what Sora meant when he said he was doing something "secret". What on earth could he be doing that he wouldn't feel like sharing with Donald and Goofy?

I'm also confused about what .2 is going to be. From the stuff we see with Mickey and Aqua it looks like it takes place slightly before and concurrently with KH 1. So far that makes perfect sense and matches up fairly well with the speculation about what BBS Vol 2 was going to be. That doesn't explain the stuff with Sora, Riku, Kairi, etc though. Do they appear as some kind of framing device with Mickey narrating Aqua's portion of the game to them? If so then how do we know about the stuff Aqua does before Mickey appears?

edited 9th Dec '16 4:50:36 PM by Kostya

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#112375: Dec 9th 2016 at 4:52:09 PM

It looks like Aqua's portion is using Mickey and Yen Sid explaining to Riku and Kairi as a Framing Device then the end will probably be Sora coming in after his Its a Secret thing and Riku and Mickey leaving leaving the setup for 3.

edited 9th Dec '16 4:52:40 PM by lycropath


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