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Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
#19626: Dec 1st 2017 at 10:36:52 AM

Seems relevant to the grammar discussion.

Nope. Thee and Thou are used with people of lower rank, or people you are informal with. Jesus can say it to you. You absolutely cannot say it to him.

Now I'm wondering how much of the loss of thee/thou is a side effect of the Protestant Reformation, when for the first time in the English language addressing Jesus personally and informally would have become trendy, and the Enlightenment, as a result of the upper classes trying to pretend they were regular people. :P

edited 1st Dec '17 11:23:14 AM by Noaqiyeum

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Sivartis Captionless One from Lubberland, or the Isle of Lazye Since: Apr, 2009
Captionless One
#19627: Dec 1st 2017 at 10:58:00 AM

[up]I'm getting an error from that link.

For me, they/them is the most natural way to refer to a nonbinary person, but I'll use whatever pronouns they use.

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FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#19628: Dec 1st 2017 at 11:00:29 AM

I'm still amused that French has the verbs of Tutoyer and Vouvoyer which are basically "use informal 'you' on" and "use formal 'you' on".

FWIW, Wikipedia claims "Fairly suddenly in the 17th century, thou began to decline in the standard language (that is, particularly in and around London), often regarded as impolite or ambiguous in terms of politeness. It persisted, sometimes in an altered form, particularly in regional dialects of England and Scotland farther from London, as well as in the language of such religious groups as the Society of Friends. Reasons commonly maintained by modern linguists as to the decline of thou in the 17th century include the increasing identification of you with "polite society" and the uncertainty of using thou for inferiors versus you for superiors (with you being the safer default) amidst the rise of a new middle class."

And there was a plural version, "ye".

Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
#19629: Dec 1st 2017 at 11:23:03 AM

[up] Interesting. I'm taking that as semi-confirmation of my wild hypothesis.

Revised link.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#19630: Dec 1st 2017 at 11:50:25 AM

@Sal Fish: Because nobody does except in actual Spain, and they mangle their language worse than we Chileans do. It's just linguistic baggage.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#19631: Dec 1st 2017 at 3:07:55 PM

language is hard just don't do it in the first place

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Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
#19632: Dec 1st 2017 at 4:24:46 PM

[up] Are you saying we should do as you say and not as you say?

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#19633: Dec 1st 2017 at 5:15:06 PM

pls

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#19634: Dec 2nd 2017 at 12:06:09 AM

@Noaqiyeum: I disagree about the "spelling out numbers" part. Especially as, when I read a sentence in English, a number not spelled out breaks my flow of thought because I read it in French.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#19635: Dec 2nd 2017 at 3:55:26 AM

There are rules, albeit ones that vary, but the simple version is that you spell out low or simple numbers. So you'd generally talk about "Two fish were found in the brassiere of the hundred year old man", but when discussing larger numbers or decimals, you use numerals because that old man has a blood pressure at the time of 157 over 90 and had $345.11 in cash in his pocket.

More or less common sense rules, which means they're dreadfully inconsistent.

CEOIII C-E-O-3, H-N-I-C from Franklin, PA Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
C-E-O-3, H-N-I-C
#19636: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:26:54 AM

.....why was the hundred year old man wearing a bra?

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#19637: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:33:11 AM

[up]Gotta keep those geriatric moobs sprightly. tongue

What's precedent ever done for us?
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#19638: Dec 2nd 2017 at 4:49:15 AM

[up][up][up]Unfortunately, it's precisely the "complicated" numbers that are hard to think in English!

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#19639: Dec 2nd 2017 at 6:43:41 AM

[up][up][up] My better teachers over the years have taught me that it takes very little effort to make examples interesting, and it makes them so much more memorable.

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Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#19641: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:25:35 AM

It's nice that Tilly forcing themself into Hannelore's life is just a charming quirk now I guess.

Elfive Since: May, 2009
#19642: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:33:28 AM

Tilly was largely a vector for Hanners' mum's assholery. They need to deprogram them and they'll be fine.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#19643: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:40:44 AM

I mean Tilly marches in and acts like a jackass, and then after one panel of apologies and crying they just go right back to doing it because Hannelore forgives them.

It's hard for me not to feel like the message of this is "harassment is okay as long as you're quirky and cute."

edited 5th Dec '17 8:40:55 AM by Mr.Badguy

GutstheBerserker from Haiti Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#19644: Dec 5th 2017 at 8:50:53 AM

Meh, I try not to ascribe any meaninful moral message to any QC comic. It's meant for humour primarily.

I mean this is the same comic that passed off a girl on a vespa assaulting people as "funny", and regularly has "butts and dicks" as the punchline of their jokes.

To be fair though, if what you are saying is that this comic isn't funny, then yeah...I respect that. But if you are saying that it isn't sending the right message, I would argue that it never really did.

edited 5th Dec '17 8:51:46 AM by GutstheBerserker

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#19645: Dec 5th 2017 at 2:11:12 PM

It's hard for me not to feel like the message of this is "harassment is okay as long as you're quirky and cute."

If we were to list the underlying themes in QC, that's probably at least in the top 3.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
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TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Student of Story
#19647: Dec 6th 2017 at 12:11:48 AM

New comic

For a second I thought the last panel was a Wham Line and Tilly was infiltrating the company on behalf of her dad, who is a rival to Hannelore's mother, (which would have made for one hell of a Wham Line) but on second thought I'm going to assume that it was some harmless joke comment by dad, the same way that probably everyone at a technology company gets asked if they can get someone in the family some prototypes or such.

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Adannor Since: May, 2010
#19648: Dec 6th 2017 at 12:18:12 AM

Yeah, he was asking if they can spy on the coffee shop. Given that they'd know Hannermom's attitude, reply to request to spy on her would be very different. Their dad probably is in the same company anyway.

GutstheBerserker from Haiti Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#19649: Dec 6th 2017 at 6:08:47 AM

She has pretty messed up standards if she considers that to have been a "nice day at work".

Sivartis Captionless One from Lubberland, or the Isle of Lazye Since: Apr, 2009

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