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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#3676: Oct 19th 2016 at 6:57:39 AM

I have hope that this will be a good thing, for a few reasons.

One, Kornada has a habit of accidentally producing good results despite himself and his greedy intentions.

Two, Clippy isn't bad; he was just put in an awful situation. Now that he isn't in an awful situation and he has his own agency, I feel more confident that he'll do the right thing.

Three, he's remarkably clever, which he demonstrated even he was under Kornada's thumb.

I suspect that Clippy is going to come to the conclusion that the ultimate goal isn't to increase resources, but instead to teach people how to be more satisfied with the resources they have.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
billybobfred Cosine! from renamed to wingedcatgirl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#3677: Oct 19th 2016 at 7:28:00 AM

It looks like Clippy is on the path to learn the most important lesson there is: always remember to account for the fact that .5% of humans are evil bastards.

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NateWinchester Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#3678: Oct 19th 2016 at 7:44:34 AM

lol I think your estimate is low. wink

tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#3679: Oct 19th 2016 at 11:55:23 AM

90% morons, 9% assholes, 1% reasonably intelligent, fairly decent people.

Trump delenda est
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#3680: Oct 19th 2016 at 4:29:14 PM

It's like a series of exchanges from Calvin and Hobbes:

Calvin: Do you believe in the Devil?
Hobbes: You mean, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of Man?
Calvin: Yes.
Hobbes: I'm not sure Man needs the help.

Calvin: Do you believe in Original Sin? That babies are born tainted by the sins of their ancestors?
Hobbes: No, I think they're just quick studies.

Calvin: Do you believe in evolution?
Hobbes: No.
Calvin: You don't believe Humans evolved from apes?
Hobbes: I certainly don't see any difference.

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billybobfred Cosine! from renamed to wingedcatgirl Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#3681: Oct 19th 2016 at 4:48:04 PM

I prefer the "most people are reasonable and good-intentioned and somehow we fuck it all up anyway" kind of cynicism over the "everyone is an idiot except me" kind.

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NateWinchester Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#3682: Oct 19th 2016 at 6:35:25 PM

It's more like:

90% morons, 9% assholes, 1% reasonably intelligent, fairly decent people.
Is everyone's life. You're going to be a moron for 90% of it (hey, it's called learning), an asshole for 9% of it (yeah yeah, everyone has their excuses and bad days) and 1% of it being reasonably intelligent and decent. Work hard, you can maybe get up to 5%.

scionofgrace from the depths of my brain Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3683: Oct 20th 2016 at 6:28:13 AM

I'm of the opinion that I am also an idiot. smile

My official position is that all humans are capable of great good, but inclined toward great evil.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#3684: Oct 20th 2016 at 6:34:25 AM

Good and evil are subjective concepts. Rather, humans are naturally inclined to selfishness and tribalism, are wired by nature to jump to conclusions from incomplete information, and it takes training and conscious effort to overcome these limitations.

edited 20th Oct '16 6:35:20 AM by Fighteer

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NateWinchester Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#3685: Oct 20th 2016 at 6:53:58 AM

are wired by nature to jump to conclusions from incomplete information

No, it's not "wired by nature" but the nature of reality and time that no person can ever have absolute complete information. No amount of training, studying or effort can ever fix or resolve this. So every decision must be a "jump to conclusions" otherwise no decision can ever be made and no life can ever be lived.

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Aetol from France Since: Jan, 2015
#3687: Oct 20th 2016 at 7:03:13 AM

My official position is that all humans are capable of great good, but inclined toward great evil.

Depends what you call "evil". IMO people tend to be selfish outside of their close circle of relatives and friends, but they are averse to "truly" evil stuff like killing.

There's also a question of empathy: people are more likely to steal from a faceless company than from an identifiable person.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#3688: Oct 20th 2016 at 6:42:53 PM

Clippy ruminates further.

This is his grandiose idea: Have robots take over all farming. Thus freeing up humans to... grow fat and lazy, I suppose.

edited 20th Oct '16 6:44:12 PM by pwiegle

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Adannor from effin' belarus Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
#3689: Oct 20th 2016 at 9:21:46 PM

Sounds more like "freeing them to outbreed rabbits" [lol]

Yep, he has arrived at the human maximiser.

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#3690: Oct 21st 2016 at 4:35:00 AM

Phrasing, Clippy... phrasing. Although the idea of introducing a good thing as "dumping a load of fertilizer" on someone is amusing. Reminds me of the old joke where one of the lower peons says a project is a "crock of shit" and we follow the game of telephone until the CEO announces it as a "growth initiative" following the same line of fertilization.

I think that the farming is just being used as an example of a case where humans were freed from manual labor to do more important things.

edited 21st Oct '16 4:37:16 AM by FuzzyBoots

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#3691: Oct 21st 2016 at 6:09:40 AM

Hrm.... Clippy should probably run his ideas past others first. In the abstract, this sounds good, but he sounds kinda like he's being a paperclip maximizer still. This would be the downside to leaving Clippy in isolation - I think he needs a moderating voice in his life.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#3692: Oct 21st 2016 at 7:30:36 AM

^_^ New crewmember for The Savage Chicken?

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#3693: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:09:56 PM

Second thoughts.

Sanity prevails, let's hope...

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AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
I am now a shiny stone~
#3694: Oct 23rd 2016 at 7:24:47 PM

Well, having that crazy idea evaluated first is for the best.

The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!
MattII Since: Sep, 2009
#3695: Oct 24th 2016 at 1:40:49 PM

Hrm.... Clippy should probably run his ideas past others first. In the abstract, this sounds good, but he sounds kinda like he's being a paperclip maximizer still. This would be the downside to leaving Clippy in isolation - I think he needs a moderating voice in his life.
Not so much of an issue, firstly because humans are complex beings, with psychological as well as physical needs (though some are already trying to anticipate some issues there), and secondly, there's the question of what exactly counts as human.

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#3696: Oct 26th 2016 at 4:15:48 AM

Varroa as nemesis. Honestly, Clippy has a point. Florence has transgressed her safeguards, although I don't entirely remember how that one worked, whether Sam had convinced her that it was necessary to wedgie Varroa or if she did it because she wanted to and found a way to justify it in her head.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#3697: Oct 26th 2016 at 4:19:20 AM

There's also some subjectivity involved in whether a wedgie constitutes "inflicting harm".

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
NateWinchester Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#3700: Oct 26th 2016 at 5:49:44 AM

In fairness, that particular wedgie probably did cause harm.

Strictly speaking, I think the Sam Defense (i.e. Sam Starfall tricked her, or maybe the generalized "spending enough time with Sam qualifies someone for the insanity defense") is applicable. That said, Florence was operating under the "saving the larger group of people" directives.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.

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