Aren't they all? New Crowner 10/17/11: Incredibly Lame Pun

and : It seems that we're in quite a punundrum then! *rimshot*

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Uh, no. Ratio only comes into play if the votes are otherwise too close to call. On the other hand, unless its my imagination, it got some more votes since last I checked, so maybe its not stable yet.

It's now 1.75 vs 2.71 so yes, there has been movement in the votes.

I was under the impression the winner's ratio is in any case taken into account: we don't for instance, rename tropes if the ratio is too low for the single prop, for instance 1.10 to 1.00. I've heard the term supermajority thrown around a bit, if I understand it correctly, it's ratio 2:00 vs 1:00 or higher. Is that an official guideline? Or more like 1.50 vs 1.00?

edited 27th Aug '11 3:28:06 PM by peccantis

I'm a bit late to this, but I was wondering about something.

It's constantly brought up here that Incredibly Lame Pun was originally created for potholing. I wasn't there, but from reading about this stuff I got a slightly different impression. Correct me if I'm wrong: I thought it was created for potholing only because Incredibly Lazy Pun was being used for that. Not because the potholing was being encouraged, or because it was seen as inevitable that people would always pothole puns somewhere. Just based on the idea that it's bad to pothole to a trope inappropriately, and because that was a problem in a context that no longer exists.

If that is so, the history is no argument against why ILP shouldn't either a) remain as a trope, in which case it shouldn't take inappropriate potholes, or b) be renamed so that it doesn't sound so stupid when every damned pun is linked to it. (Or removing it altogether — I don't think there is anywhere else equally inappropriate-sounding and annoying that people could start linking instead.)

edited 31st Aug '11 1:49:10 PM by VVK

Top is now 1.50 to 1.00...

I'd just blacklist potholing puns as a community injoke activity, much like potholing to Understatement just to underline something was blacklisted not so long ago.

edited 31st Aug '11 2:52:10 PM by peccantis

I added "Move in-universe examples to a different page; keep Incredibly Lame Pun as an exampleless page for potholing." to the crowner (although it seems a bit late for that, but oh well), as that option was discussed but wasn't actually on the crowner.

And for the record, I would rather have a page to pothole intended puns to than see "(pun intended)" or "(pun not intended)" sprout up all over the wiki. In current culture (or at least current US culture), it's generally accepted that if you make a pun, you point it out. Potholing to a page gives people a fairly unobtrusive way to do so on this wiki.

Should I create a TRS thread for A Worldwide Punomenon proposing redefining it to works which are pun-heavy (which is what most of the examples seem to be, anyway)?

Having a page to pothole to and having it be a trope aren't mutually exclusive... tropes like Shmuck Bait and Understatement are potholed to in descriptions pretty often too.

edited 4th Sep '11 9:40:44 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

157: gratuitious non-example potholes to US were just decided against here in TRS, the Special Effort team has removed now hundreds of those.

... even though the "generic pothole for puns" option is in the lead by 14 points in the crowner?

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

By "US" he ment Understatement.

I don't think people potholing to a trope that's not a pothole magnet is a big deal, as long as the things being potholed are examples of the trope. At least in my mind, though the site may not agree, the problem arises when something is misused as a pothole magnet when it's not (i.e., this trope). I think the best option may be to move examples to a separate page and keep this one for potholing, as it keeps the most popular option while not getting rid of a valid trope.

Meh, my point is that a trope page can be shared with a pothole magnet...

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

Long as it's not creating Sinkholes or getting spammed on every page possible.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

But in this case, the potholes are to things that aren't even examples of the trope. Anyways, I added "Switch the titles Incredibly Lame Pun and A Worldwide Punomenon" to the crowner, as someone else suggested it, but it just seemed to get forgotten.

Do we need a 2:1 consensus when by far and away the leading option in the crowner is (essentially) "do nothing"? The crowner has been pretty stable for about a month now, so I don't think we're going to get a 2:1 consensus.

Not on a multi-prop crowner, no.

That, and using Pun Intended seems like a good alternative option.

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

I namespaced Webcomic.Punintended. Wicks are all moved and whatnot. So, we're free to make that into a page, if that's something we want to do.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

What's the TRS policy for when the leading option is far ahead by number of votes, but the second option is significantly in the green and has a (slightly) better approval ratio, and neither are at 2:1?

"Keep things as-is" is at +29 with a 1.45:1 ratio. "Make Incredibly Lame Pun in-universe only and create Pun Intended as a page for potholing puns to" is at +14 with a 1.7:1.

The crowner has been up for over a month and has been relatively stable for a while. It would be good to call it one way or the other.

Also note that the leading option has triple the voters compared to its runner-up.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

I guess we keep collecting votes and see if it swings. The second place option hasn't been on there as long.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

What? Yes it has. It's been on there at least a few months. I don't know exactly how long, but long enough.

When was the new option added? I hadn't realized that it was (I hadn't voted on it until today) and I've been checking this thread regularly..

I'll change the thread title to take note that there's a new option.

edited 4th Oct '11 10:03:27 AM by Madrugada

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New option? Both options in the green have been there for at least several weeks...

Why is "do nothing" even an option? Incredibly Lame Pun is clearly defined as an in-universe trope about lampshading bad puns. Potholing troper-made puns (or any pun that isn't lampshaded as bad) to Incredibly Lame Pun is an act of sinkholing. The Understatement TRS thread has already established that the memetic sinkholes to Understatement were unacceptable, so how is Incredibly Lame Pun any different?