Fallout: New Vegas

Well doing a clean wipe of New Vegas after borking a couple quests. I should have looked up what I was doing first. Ahwell. Perfect excuse to use Mod Organizer that skyrim uses to install mods. It is delightfully stable and effective for skyrim and FOMM had gotten kinda clunky. Supposedly it is good for pretty much all the current Bethesda games. I know what mods play well together and what ones don't now so it shouldn't be too big of an issue for me to scrounge up the fun mods this time around.

edited 31st Jul '15 8:29:12 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?

To face it realistically, the rating system is a major part of what prevents developers from crossing certain lines. There are some matters that publishers won't take since it can get its game barred from several major outlets and lose thousands of potential sales.

If you want less more "for moral reasons" boundaries in video games, stick with non-ESRB stores.

edited 3rd Aug '15 10:09:10 AM by chihuahua0

Fallout and Terminator both have nuclear apocalypse as their premise, except, in one, humanity gets a second chance, and in the other, we're all forced to live with the remains.

Cha-ching!

If a T-800 came after your Courier, would he/she survive?

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Pfft. You kidding? This is the Courier we are talking about here. They marched through the divide and Deathclaws.

Though that does want me to get a Terminator mod for this. A proper one.

Gonna go with "no", for the simple reason that my Courier has pulse slugs.

Courier 6 near-singlehandedly (with the assistance of a floating eye-bot and a Genki Girl Mc Punchy) annihilated the Legion stronghold, a nest of Deathclaws and walked and survived the Divide. I'm certain she can handle one measly T-800. I'm certain those things aren't built to withstand a .50 calibre explosive bullet to the face.

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I'd think AP, since I'm not sure how much the relatively small HE load of a .50 BMG round would do. If you want HE, grab a 25mm or 40mm grenade.

Actually my courier only uses .50 MG explosive or match rounds with her AM Rifle. Match rounds perform just as well against armored targets, especially with sneak crits.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.

I think my Courier would make green goop out of a T-800.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

Plasma casters are the solution to every problem.

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Actually, I'd say the courier WOULDN'T survive. The T-800 uses weapons too. That plasma caster or AM rifle you value so much? It probably has one. Maybe even dual wields two, depending on the recoil.

Well, the T-X maybe, the T-800 (traveling through time) wouldn't be able to bring any weapons back with it.

Such a perfect enemy for the Courier.

It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until the Courier's dead. It even has its own VATS, IIRC.

Granted, Sarah took one out with a sniper rifle, but that T-800 was naked, unarmed, and I'm pretty sure she knew exactly where its weakpoint was.

I was going to suggest sending in a T-1000 instead, but doesn't that seem a little overkill? There's no way to melt it down except with continuous plasma fire, assuming your Courier has that.

And given that plasma doesn't insta-kill people in Fallout...

edited 5th Aug '15 3:32:27 PM by Soble

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I didn't say the T-800 would bring weapons back with it. I said it uses them. The thing can take a few bullets without dying, and only us genre savvy folks would know what we were dealing with. Anything we players can do, the T-800 could too. So any weapons we can get won't be out of reach for a creature that doesn't need sleep, or food, or drink. A creature that could rot until it looked like a Ghoul and just keep coming. A creature that could probably tear a Deathclaw's throat out without effort. Are you getting the picture? I'd say the Courier would PROBABLY lose. There's always a decent chance for said Courier, but it's only a chance.

Oh no, I'm not disagreeing. In fact, without Power Armor or an Energy Weapons proficiency, I'd say it comes down to who strikes first.

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Not true, I can't take +50 damage from pulse slugs.

Not a terribly intimidating attribute, given that killing such creatures (specifically, ghouls) is already more or less routine for Courier 6.

Sure, if it doesn't mind operating without legs. Deathclaws care not for tin can armor or metal endoskeleton alike. Or mechanically speaking, they ignore all DT.

By the way, what, realistically, makes you think that the T-800 would be meaningfully better equipped, offensively or defensively, than a Sentry Bot, which was designed by people less afraid of compromising human-ness of form with more efficient locomotion and bulky armor and packs an integral Gattling Laser and Missile Launcher? I'd be inclined to say that any Courier that can beat a Sentry Bot, especially if they can do so without pulse weapons, can do the same to the T-800.

Don't get me wrong, it'd be a formidable enemy, but so's a Sentry Bot, and we don't argue that those should butcher the Courier, do we?

edited 5th Aug '15 9:18:54 PM by Balmung

Especially those bloody Mk. 6 Sentry Bots in OWB, or even the unique securitron 010011110110111001100101.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.

World of difference between a Sentry Bot and a Terminator.

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Yeah one goes down thanks to pipe bombs. The other can brunt a missile to the face.

Depends on which universes rules we're following here. Terminators take an obscene amount of punishment in their 'verse but in fallout there is a ton of tech dedicated specifically to disabling robots and energy weapons burns through armor like wet paper. Even the biggest baddest robot in the fallout 'verse can be taken down by concentrated plasma fire in a shortish time frame.

I'd probably give the win to the terminator though if the courier didn't know they were being pursed. The 'nators are blitz attackers and there isn't a whole lot of courier 6s running around. Once he tracked down 6 he'd just shoot 'em in the face and be done with it.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?

Yeah Benny did that twice. Look how well that turned out.

I think it's less different rules and more the Fallout-verse having bothered to design and build large amounts of anti-robot (and anti-power armor) weapons. Depositing a Killer Robot into a universe where anti-killer robot weapons are common makes the Killer Robot much less threatening-seeming. Also, concentrated plasma fire should be devastating to robots - it'll melt the steel, burn off the lubricant, fuse the servo motors, blow out pneumatics, and whatever electromagnetic containment is keeping the plasma from simply dissipating in a few feet can't possibly be kind to electronics. You could hardly do better by dunking the Terminators in magma.

Also, why are we assuming the Terminator is doing the hunting? Not that being the hunter did the last seven hundred Legion/NCR (depending on player allegiance) hit squads any favors. What if someone has hired the Courier to hunt down and destroy the Terminator? Also, it's not like a build with enough sneak to crouch-run past a robot's optical sensors undetected is uncommon.

The problem with the Terminator being tough is that, in its own universe, it's like a vampire where wooden stakes haven't been invented, while, in the other 'verse, not just are wooden stakes common, but the vampire's adversary has like five different means of delivering said stakes on their person.

edited 5th Aug '15 9:33:01 PM by Balmung

It's also worth pointing out weapons like the Pulse Gun and the LAER which are even more specifically designed to destroy robots. ...and then there's the alien blaster...

All in all, in a fight between the Terminator and an endgame Courier (wearing Powered Armor and carrying either a LAER or an Alien Blaster), I would put my money on the latter.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

The Terminator would likely be doing the hunting because Terminators are almost always sent back to hunt a target. But, again, I think it comes down to who's hunting who.

Endgame Courier, naturally, would be a hurricane of death and destruction with a coat made of Deathclaw and Legionaire flesh.

Endgame Courier is a little unfair unless its T-1000 Astro Boy or a Gundam, and now I have to remind myself that this game came out 2009ish and most here have finished all of the DLC's with your superpowered Couriers. -_-

My Courier didn't max in Energy Weapons so that advantage is gone; I guess I was only really considering my own Courier encountering with a T-800.

I'm not sure how effective Pulse weaponry would be against Terminators, they've been yanked onto magnets before, but for some reason no one's ever considered using an EMP on them, or at least I've never seen it used in the films.

edited 6th Aug '15 1:22:39 PM by Soble

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And that's assuming the Think Tank wouldn't be able to come up with something for that.

Twist: The Lone Wanderer shows up with Liberty Prime.

Hitokiri in the streets, daishouri in the sheets.

Probably because man-portable EMP weapons are not common the present era and are are hard to miniaturize, and most real life threats are humans who are mostly unaffected by EMP. Even in Terminator, the Robot War hadn't really been going on all that long (at least as compared to Fallout's point of divergence), so they may not have had time to develop such weapons.

Also, even if your Courier is unskilled in energy weapons, grab a grenade launcher (25mm or 40mm) and some appropriately sized pulse grenades, 12 gauge shotgun and some pulse slugs, or a proton inversal axe. The weapons aren't running off the energy weapons skill and the anti-tech damage is a flat bonus, rather than being dependent on weapon skill.

edited 6th Aug '15 1:37:08 PM by Balmung