One Piece

Almost certainly higher than Ace's, I'd imagine. 600 mil+?

He was the Sundance to Roger's Butch. At least a billion, if Luffy was at 300 mil when he got to Sabaody, and Rayleigh was supposed to be 100x stronger than Luffy. Even if he's old now, his bounty's gotta be through the roof.

This makes me wonder about something else, way back in the thread someone proposed that Whitebeard might not have even had a bounty because no one would be crazy enough to actually take his head. Presumably this train of thought applies to the other Emperors as well. I like it, as it's a testament to how dangerous/powerful the marines consider them to be.

I wonder if Rayleigh's bounty has decreased, Chinjao's was implied to have as he's gotten older and was considered less of a threat to the government.

Shirahoshi would probably have the biggest breasts seen thus far, though I don't know if counting giants/psuedo-giants is cheating or not.

FemLaw/Lawbin probably has the Oppai Oppai no Mi,so she wins.

I just had a thought about a realistic name for an antelope or gazelle fruit: Dik Dik no Mi.

I saw a post on Arlong Park that pointed this out to me: for being the probable archvillains of the series, the Blackbeards don't exactly have the best combat record, do they? They got oneshotted by Magellan, got smacked around by Newgate, got smacked around by Sengoku, fled in terror from Sakazuki, and Burgess, though he didn't exactly lose, still failed his objective this arc. Sure they killed Newgate when his guard was down due to his illness, but their only outright victories were against the Drum army and Magellan the second time, both of which were offscreen, and Ace.

edited 18th Apr '14 6:38:17 PM by HamburgerTime

they got smacked around by Sengoku, but they nevertheless achieved their goal at Marineford.

Yeah, I see people point that out a lot, which is why a lot of people are convinced they aren't the final villains because they're "weak", apparently completely not understanding context.

Then again, there are people who think Kaidou is weak because we never saw his and Shanks confrontation, but since he didn't show up that meant Shanks won. Ignoring the fact that we have no idea what even happened with them, I don't understand how losing to Shanks translates as being weak.

Basically, for many people if a character isn't one of the Strawhats, isn't a character they like, and has lost even once, they're weak.

Yeah, either Burgess is underwhelming or Sabo is that godly strong. If it has to be one of the two, i'd rather it be the first one. At this point, One Piece doesn't need The Ace (even if he is a spiritual successor to, well, Ace). It would do bad, Naruto-like things to the plot. Potentially.

edited 18th Apr '14 7:54:27 PM by Ogodei

They seemed even to me, Sabo just got the Fruit and he didn't.

I've noticed this, and back when people were saying Burgess should be too much for Luffy I was honestly surprised that anyone would think that because of their bad track record.

I still think both Sabo and Burgess are stronger than Luffy is at this point.

edited 18th Apr '14 8:03:00 PM by HamburgerTime

I don't like the thought of Sabo being stronger than Luffy even if he probably is. More experienced sure, and he and Ace were better fighters, but that was largely because Luffy wasn't used to being made of rubber.

I'd imagine Sabo was trained personally by Dragon, given all the Dragon-themed techniques he has.

The dragon-themed attacks really should have tipped us off that he was getting the fruit in retrospect.

I'd like to imagine either Dragon is really egotistical and named every attack in a fighting style after himself, or Sabo is a creepy fanboy who disturbs Dragon with his obsession.

Well, the guy did save his life...

To be honest, 'able to fight Sabo equally' is stronger than I expected Burgess to be.

I'm loath to talk about "tiers," especially for this manga, but I think Sabo and Burgess are both even with the Warlords, Luffy is about even with a weaker Warlord or Emperor commander now (ie. he could probably beat Croc or Moriah without luck now; if he beats Doffy without luck this arc he's officially Warlord-level), Zoro is about even with a Vice Admiral, and Sanji and Franky a bit below that, maybe around Lucci's level. I think all the Straw Hats are probably at least even with the weakest pre-Time Skip supernova, and could all fairly easily take a typical Paradise captain (for instance, Arlong or Bellamy) in one hit.

I'm confident they could all easily take Arlong down, but I'm iffy on Bellamy.

Pre-Time Skip Bellamy? I could see that then.

edited 18th Apr '14 10:13:10 PM by KBSL

Pre-skip Bellamy, to clarify.

Not sure where Law is; all we know is he's stronger than Vergo but weaker than Doffy. Relatedly, I'm wondering if we might see a Luffy-Law teamup against Doffy. Law's right there in the room, and it'd allow Doffy to retain some of his hype rather than it all transferring to Luffy upon his defeat if he lost to opponents who are weaker than him individually, but stronger together.

I presume that Bellamy Took a Level in Badass for his New World appearance and doesn't count as a "typical Paradise captain". But the pre-timeskip version would get wrecked.

>Shirahoshi would probably have the biggest breasts seen thus far, though I don't know if counting giants/psuedo-giants is cheating or not.

Cheating, yes. Her breasts should be counted proportionally to her body, not by their absolute size, to leave her a contender but prevent auto-win.

Well, the Blackbeards really are a ragtag bunch of misfits. They don't seem to be the best at what they can do, but they're all driven towards the same goal, and they have enough power to get there. Basically, the fact they were seen as a bit weak is exactly how they managed to get this far, I'd assume. They weren't the biggest threats pre-timeskip, so they were kinda ignored for other, more competent folk. Now that they have what they've been looking for, well, all things are going according to plan, so they've really increased in strength. To go from nobody, to Paradise big shots, to Warlord, to Four Emperor status in such little time... well, it testifies to their strength.

Yeah, that's another thing to make them good in the end game. They were doing what the Strawhats did, but evilly, and they're making it work.