The Legend of Korra

Poorly, authority of any kind if unacceptable.

Oh really when?

The only authority they are willing to consider is an authority of direct relationship and trust. Not a representative, who is bogus in their eyes.

well they wanted to kill him

And Zaheer called him a "moronic president", using him alongside the Earth Queen as an example of why governments shouldn't exist.

He forced at least one member to do something he didn't want to do: die.

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Technically Aiwei isn't dead. The lack of anger from the rest of the Red Lotus also indicates that they think it was the right thing to do.

Staying in the Spirit World too long will cause your physical body to die, so he's almost certainly dead by the end of the season, barring the unlikely event of somebody picking him up.

We don't have much context for Aiwei's standing with the Red Lotus, or Zaheer's decision. For all we know Zaheer did consult the others about what he intended to do before he went in there.

That's just the point, though: we never see it.

We never see Zaheer consult. We never see him debate or discuss. We see plenty of scenes of him alone meditating on his choices but we never see a communal decision. Nobody questions or goes, "Hey, I have an idea, why don't we do it like this?"

Zaheer makes huge choices like murdering one of his own men or destabilizing a region and there's never any sense that the rest of the group has any input on it, just that they obey his decisions without question.

For all intents and purposes, Zaheer is presented as an authority figure like the Firelord or Kuvira. A leader who commands absolutely and punishes failure with death.

edited 2nd Feb '16 10:13:18 AM by TobiasDrake

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Often the case with Anarchists in a war scenario. Splitting is for peacetime, but when the goal is in sight, you do what you're told to get there.

Often the case with anarchists in general as anarchy is a larval state that inevitably grows into feudalism, but the anarchy is usually allowed to at least get off the ground before the first tyrant seizes power.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:11:15 PM by TobiasDrake

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...which is exactly what happened. The Earth Kingdom fell into chaos, and Kuvira turned it into a fascist state years later.

To be fair, in the first instance no one else was there to provide input (and Zaheer didn't technically murder anyone), and in the second destabilizing all regions is the whole point of the Red Lotus — they already decided to kill the queen and all the world's rulers to boot, so of course Zaheer's decision would be met with little more then an "about time."

It's true that the Red Lotus is loyal to Zaheer, and defer to him as a natural leader, but I never got the impression they were blindly obedient solders — they were too informal and personal with him for that.

edited 2nd Feb '16 11:27:03 PM by drac0blade

Not quite impressed by the fusion of a concept akin to the Taoist Yin-Yang with quasi-Manichaean dualism, but it was still an enjoyable and very interesting look into the origin of the Avatar and spirits. The storybook-like animation was a nice touch.

Also, please tell me the spirit who helped Wan at first appears in the Season 2 Finale and calls affectionately calls Korra "Stinky" after reconciling with her.

edited 5th Feb '16 7:22:42 PM by SantosLHalper

The way I see it, we've already got the Moon and Ocean spirits representing the traditional aspects of yin and yang - two different forces working together to make a larger whole - while Raava and Vatuu represent forces in direct opposition - they don't work together, they can't compromise, and yet they cannot exist without eventually creating the other.

Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra are probably Nickelodeon's two best shows. They manage to straddle the line between anime and western animation, use humor to lighten the mood of a pretty dark and tragic story, and cross cultural boundaries with its all-inclusive storytelling. While Bryan and Mike may have become a little more condescending to fans than necessary after the end of Lo K (I for one ship Korra with Opal), and there are some issues I have with the narrative, I think that Bryke still know how to make a truly smart and artistic pseudo-fantasy-action-comedy-drama.

It can't be helped.

How is pointing out that Korrasami is canon "being condescending to fans?"

If anything, i saw it more as putting down the more homophobic crew members of the Makorra or Masami ships.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

I don't think you're using the word "condescending" right.

Also, are you just going around the Western Animation threads and giving your opinions on shows?

edited 6th Feb '16 11:47:45 AM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!

Looking at concernedalien11780's posts all over the wiki, that seems to be what he's been doing since he joined the wiki.

edited 6th Feb '16 12:11:24 PM by VeryMelon

And that's wrong?

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

If I may hazard a guess, I'd say what concernedalien11780 is most likely referring to is things like this:

Or maybe not. At any rate, I don't think it's odd to consider that "a little more condescending to fans than necessary". If we want to get technical, I suppose the former is more accusatory than condescending.

edited 6th Feb '16 1:50:46 PM by TompaDompa

Ceterum censeo Morbillivirum esse eradicandum.

Yyyyyep, no argument there.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.

I think there were a lot of hints. A lot of us picked up on that as the show was airing. We just dismissed it because none of us thought they would actually do it.

The Ho Yay page as season 3 and season 4 went on was testament to that, along with all the Korrasami examples being moved to a "Ship tease" page instead after it was confirmed.

Eh every series gets slathered in Ho Yay examples, it's meaningless.

I don't mean to be dismissive of you, Kostya, but I saw a lot of Confirmation Bias in the wake of the series finale. Shippers have a tendency to see things even when they're not there (as well as not see things that are there but contradict their preferred ship), so I tend not to pay much attention even when they turn out to be right (because they're bound to be right sooner or later if they keep on guessing shipping).

Not all of them are like that, of course, but in aggregate, shippers don't seem to have a better track record than would be expected by chance alone.

EDIT: Yeah, that was a more succinct way of putting it.

edited 6th Feb '16 2:43:49 PM by TompaDompa

Ceterum censeo Morbillivirum esse eradicandum.