Persona series

Indeed, especially if you take Hiimdaisy into account. Did anyone ever eat dinner that night?

edited 2nd May '15 9:40:06 AM by kkhohoho

>implying shounen series dont ever have cute relief characters

>implying teddy was cute

>>in any capacity

>>>>implying teddy was cute

get out.

it's what they were going for.

It just wrapped around into insufferable pervert because Persona 4

I don't really care for Nanako anymore myself. Whatever liking I had for her character turned into indifference over the years.

i thought they were going for bishonen comic relief mascot character.

As long as they don't kill her temporarily again for cheap drama I'll be fine with Nanako.

Careful. We'll now get piles of jokes on how killing her permanently would be better.

Would it need to be a joke?

That's exactly what I was expecting.

You've proven me right. Thanks.

And to answer your question, no it would not.

Well, speaking seriously, I don't think the series would have been improved all that much by letting her die. Maybe by letting someone else die though, to make the threat to her seem more imminent. The investigation team is a bit too successful throughout the game, to the point where "serial murder case" starts to sound like a joke since no one's been murdered forever.

On the other hand, I guess that would change the motivation somewhat. Hmm...

It's still a serial kidnapping case, which is serious in and of itself.

Well, serious in terms of a crime being committed, sure. But since all the victims turn out fine (and, technically, better than before now that they've confronted their personal demons), it never really feels like a problem.

edited 2nd May '15 12:29:15 PM by Clarste

No my point is that they shouldn't have even bothered to have her die, even temporarily, in the original game. It comes off as cheap and just for the sake of forced drama so they can have everyone get mad at Namatame.

Well, like I just explained, I don't think they would be all that mad at him without it, so that makes sense to me.

well everyone was already mad. but they needed to get at least someone borderline psychotic and willing to commit murder over it. someone needed to die and while yosuke already had reason to get mad, his reason occured many months prior, which is not enough to incite murderous hatred right at that very moment when he's previously never been close, even when dealing with mitsuo.

i think maybe if his senpai had survived until later we could have gone without nanako's cheap death and yosuke's psychosis would be a lot more understandable and a lot less grating regarding his outrage over your attempts to remain civil.

Well, the threat is established early on, so I think it's pretty clear what the risk is. Though more people being killed would probably change the tone of the game considerably...

One thing that bugs me is that for the scene with Namatame is that among the party, the "should we kill him" decision is kind of split along gender lines - with the guys (and Naoto) being in favor of throwing into the TV, and the girls being against it (which is the correct decision). I personally would have made it more of an even split, maybe by having Kanji swap places with one of the girls, though which one I'm not sure...Chie feels like an obvious choice, but she also seems to be the kind of person who is more about protecting others than seeking revenge. Yukiko...I'm not sure, but something about her...she could always be willing to do it if the situation was like it was. Rise's trickier, although she was one of the more openly emotional about Nanako's "death", so maybe it could be a heat of the moment thing. Teddie, of course, is absent from the scene altogether.

Of course, the pressure would be much greater if it was you against everyone, which is how I originally thought it would go.

edited 2nd May '15 2:18:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Yukiko is secretly crazy in the spinoffs, so I could see Kanji switching with her.

I don't remember Kanji really expressing an opinion. It was mostly Yosuke pushing the others into it with Naoto saying they could get away with it.

Kanji seemed to be for it. Or at least he wasn't against it. He wasn't as for it as Yosuke was, but Yosuke was clearly projecting over Saki.

The fact that Naoto even suggested they could get away with it means she was for it. You don't bring up how it's a near perfect murder opportunity if you don't want to do it.

I do agree that maybe they should have varied it up a bit, but it would have required good Foreshadowing in some sense.

Also she was the one to suggest putting him in the TV, otherwise they would all just stand there being pissed.

?

i recall kanji being against it, chie being against it, and yosuke and yukiko being for it.

dont remember rise's contribution.

Yosuke was definitely for it, Kanji and Naoto seemed conflicted but overall in favor of it, with Naoto providing the potential method, and Chie, Yukiko and Rise were opposed to varying degrees... As I recall, anyway.

edited 2nd May '15 2:29:11 PM by Pulse

No Kanji wasn't against it.

Rise was the only one that was actually conflicted. She didn't know what to do about it, but Chie and Yukiko definitely were completely against it.

edited 2nd May '15 2:32:29 PM by OmegaRadiance

Ok. I just rewatched it.

Kanji, while not saying it quite so blatantly, is the first to suggest they give him a fitting punishment, which gets a ... reaction out of Yosuke. Naoto suggests pushing him in the T.V., and then Yosuke runs with it. The other girls seems to be against it, but for once, Yosuke actually seems to be winning an argument with Chie, whereas she usually either ignores him or argues with him on general principle.

So Kanji was in on it, and definitely not against it. If anything, he's the one who first suggests it, if subtly. Naoto is far more clear on what they should do, so it's possible both she and Yosuke either got the idea from him, or they realized what he was saying, and Naoto was the first one to put it into words.

And that's that. All hail Rob.

Edit: Just to be clear, he's the actual clip of the scene:

edited 2nd May '15 2:33:28 PM by HandsomeRob

Quoteth Kanji: "We can't let this bastard do whatever he pleases."

Well, quoteth anime!Kanji, but he was definitely in favour of tv murder.

Edit: Damn Jiraiyas.

edited 2nd May '15 2:33:23 PM by whizzerd