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Yuanchosaan antic disposition from Australia Since: Jan, 2010
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#51: Sep 3rd 2010 at 1:52:10 AM

Discrimination due to genre is unfortunately quite commonplace in academia. It's not impossible for a genre fiction writer to achieve success in that regard, but it is quite difficult. For example, many literary magazines will not accept a genre fiction work of comparative quality. Even then, some authors prefer not to be associated with the genre they write.

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A_H_R Resistance is Futile from Crevice of your Mind Since: Feb, 2010
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#52: Sep 3rd 2010 at 6:25:44 AM

My problem with Paolini is sheer paranoia. The dude is a better mechanical writer than me. That makes me worry anything I thought up during this time period is pure shit. And that worries me.

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DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#53: Sep 3rd 2010 at 6:34:20 AM

^Join the club.smile

I also have the same worry about Stephenie Meyer.

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#54: Sep 3rd 2010 at 8:26:25 PM

There's more than one skillset involved in writing. For instance, John Ridley is very bad at wordcrafting, but quite good at making his plots make sense.

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#55: Sep 5th 2010 at 8:47:39 AM

To be fair, Paolini isn't the only bad fantasy writer.

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#56: Sep 5th 2010 at 10:17:44 AM

True, but he is better known than most fantasy authors, even good ones, and is regularly lauded as a great writer by those who don't know any better.

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narakunohana Flower of Hell Since: Dec, 1969
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#57: Sep 6th 2010 at 9:44:29 PM

I read it when I was about 9. I loved it. Thought Eldest was boring in some places. Brisingr came out. I thought the quality was sliding. I went on the Internet, got a bit more Genre Savvy, watched Star Wars, and I realized that the series wasn't nearly as good as the Fandom wants us to believe, but the Hatedom gets carried away. I get really angry about the way Eragon was published, though. Just read the first Epistle, assuming you can even find it anymore...

Oh, wait. It's right in the next paragraph.

There are many popular books in the world. Not all of them are particularly deserving of their popularity. Others are. But few popular novels attract as much hatred as the Inheritance trilogy by young adult Christopher Paolini. On forums all over the internet debates over its quality are carrying on, and often they are quite vicious. The question here is – why? Why do non-fans of this series hate it so much, and why are they so vocal about their dislike? And why are so many of them other young authors not much different from Paolini himself? As fans have demanded time and time again, why don’t these critics simply move on and read something else?

The answer, I think, is quite simple. Other young writers object to Inheritance because they are young writers. In other words they are developing writers hoping to be published one day. This can and has led fans to accuse them of jealousy. This is a false argument which violates the famous Ebert’s Law, but is it true? For the most part, probably not.

In answering the question of why young writers hate the Inheritance series, it is important to note something which most non-writers probably aren’t aware of: publishing a book is not an easy thing to do. In fact it is extremely hard and, for some, impossible. If you were to ask an author with at least one book on the market about their publishing quest, they will almost invariably tell you it took them years of hard work. Not weeks. Not months. Years. And for some it can take a lifetime. The quest for publication usually works like this: an author writes a book. He thinks it is good enough to be published. He then begins writing proposal letters to publishers and, perhaps, seeks out the services of a literary agent. After sending those proposal letters, it’s all a matter of waiting. Then, often months after the initial sending of the letters, the replies come back. It is likely almost to the point of absolute certainty that they will all be rejections. Every professional writer has had rejection letters, and some have entire folders full of them. The legendary J. K. Rowling, for example, was supposedly rejected by nearly every publisher in the United Kingdom. And this is an author who has gone on to make millions and who, many agree, writes quality material.

Young, unpublished authors like the owners of this site are aware of that. They know that years of hard and unrewarding work await them in their quest to attain that distant, shining thing – publication. They long for it. They live for it. It is all they dare to dream of, and they would give anything to achieve it.

And then, quite suddenly, this young man called Christopher Paolini arrives on the scene. He’s published. Twice. He is a bestseller. He has been on TV. He is an international celebrity, and all because he published a book which he famously began writing at age fifteen and finished at nineteen. It all sounds so wonderful, does it not? A child prodigy, according to some. Look at what he has achieved! He’s living his dream and getting rich off it! He has a million fans! He is a genius!

But here’s something those young writers know which most of his fans do not: people who begin writing novels at fifteen are extremely common. There are thousands of them. Many of these young writers began writing before that age. Some of them are still at that age. In essence, the only difference between Mr Paolini and those young writers is that he is published. And he is not published because he wrote those letters and got those rejections. He is not published because he worked hard. He is not published because he is a genius. He is published because he has family connections. He is published because his parents own their own publishing company. He was picked up by Knopf because he did not have to go to school like those other young writers do. Instead he was free to travel the country – probably at great expense – publicising his book. Knopf took him on because they saw a great marketing opportunity in such a young client with his own novel. Most likely they wanted their own J.K.Rowling, and he would be sufficient to fill that role. So they published Eragon and began an aggressive marketing campaign, hailing their prize as a prodigy.

The problem is this: he is not a prodigy. He is, at best, a writer of average skill. If he had been forced to spend years reworking, revising and editing as writers normally do, he could have been very good. As far as young writers go he is perhaps a little above average. But as writers, period, go, he is mediocre. However, the public does not seem to be aware of this. They repeat what Knopf told them, leading some to think that he is still fifteen whereas he is in fact twenty-two and by no means a child any more. Young children and those inexperienced in the fantasy genre find his works accessible and admire him for his success, perhaps encouraged by of his rather naïve and innocent personal charm.

However, young writers like himself despise him. They loathe his books, they loathe the things he says, and most of all they loathe what he stands for. To them he is not a hero, or a genius, or a good writer. The fact of the matter is this: he did not go through those years of hard work. Instead of suffering all the anguish and self-doubt which a writer usually must, he had the world effectively handed to him on a silver platter. Does he have that folder of rejection letters? Does he have that terror that he will never realise his dream? No. Instead he has something which is normally reserved only for those of rare and special ability, something which should have gone to a truly original and distinguished writer. Not one who churns out simplistic, unoriginal airport novels aimed at a young or inexperienced audience.

So those young, unpublished writers are not impressed but enraged. By reaching this high point in the way he did, by becoming famous without hard work or significant ability, he has offended everything they hold dear. He has given the public the impression that publishing is easy, that near-plagiarism of other people’s ideas is acceptable behaviour, and that young authors do not know how to write. They are afraid that this phenomena is symptomatic of the corruption of literature and the transformation of writers from closeted, serious, hard-working people into vapid celebrities whose only gift is being charming on chat-shows.

And when they try and share this fear with others, they are all too frequently met with derision, with accusations of jealousy, intimations that they lack talent, and no form of respect for their opinions. Their refusal to accept Mr Paolini as one of their own means that his fans treat them with scorn, perhaps believing that it is they, and not he, who are phoney writers or pretenders. Not being writers themselves, they cannot know about the passion that drives these people. All they see are a group of individuals who hate what they love and won’t be silenced. They can’t understand their anger.

The writers are angry because they feel their efforts are being mocked. And they are afraid that, if they should ever realise their dream and become published, that status will have been degraded and so mean less than it did before.

Let me put it this way: if you had spent years painting an exquisite and precise picture of a magnificent old building and, having finally completed it after spending what feels like your entire life working at it, perfecting your craft and subordinating all else to getting that painting finished, and then the art gallery turned you down in favour of a piece of canvas which someone had spent an afternoon randomly splattering paint onto, how would you feel?

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#58: Sep 6th 2010 at 10:48:40 PM

^ This.

And that's ignoring the fact that he's not even really read any adult fantasy. Seriously, go check his "influences" page. It's all kid's books.

Don't get me started on the plagiarism...

DoktorvonEurotrash Since: Jan, 2001
#59: Sep 7th 2010 at 3:31:19 AM

^^This expressed everything I feel about Mr. Paolini. Or, in short: "Maybe if I'd written a trite Star Wars / The Belgariad ripoff with dragons instead of trying something original, I'd be published now."

edited 7th Sep '10 3:31:33 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

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#61: Sep 7th 2010 at 12:32:39 PM

Ah, the Epistles. They were good stuff. It was a sad day on Anti-Shurtugal's associated forums when they were taken down at the author's request.

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#62: Sep 7th 2010 at 2:45:26 PM

Wow, you're right, how dare someone use whatever resources they can (that aren't illegal) to accomplish what they want. I wonder, if any of the aspiring writers out there, knew someone in the publishing industry personally, would they hesitate in bringing any work to them?

No, they wouldn't. So what, if he was lucky enough to be born to parents who own a publishing company? Them's the breaks, can't blame the guy. Perhaps they overdid it with his marketing, but merely saying he started writing a book at age 15 isn't really all that amazing, objectively, the fact that they use that a s a marketing scheme isn't cause for rage on your part.

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#63: Sep 8th 2010 at 6:51:42 PM

Yeeeaaah, I somehow doubt that every hater Paolini's got (mind you, I find the series a Cliché Storm but enjoy it nonetheless) are because he got an easy publishing deal. So every last fregging person on the Internet who dislikes Eragon disproportionately does so becuase Paolini's parents published his works? Didn't think so.

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#64: Sep 8th 2010 at 9:16:01 PM

^ No, it's just a huge part of the hate.

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#65: Sep 9th 2010 at 6:23:47 AM

I love the "U JUST JELUSS OF HIS SUCKSESS" argument. You know someone's an idiot when they use that.

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#66: Sep 9th 2010 at 7:55:23 AM

I think that if Paolini waited ten years (at the age of 15) to develop his style, and maybe explore some other fields, he would be much better off.

Then again, I think he's still a bit on the arrogant side.

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#67: Sep 9th 2010 at 8:47:52 AM

^^Also "let's see you do better".

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#68: Sep 9th 2010 at 9:37:38 AM

True. I believe he's steadily improving, but ten or five years would have advised him against including all the Can't Argue with Elves and Moral Dissonance (my main problem with the series). The concept's good, but he's no master storyteller.

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#69: Sep 9th 2010 at 9:39:59 AM

Yeah. He basically didn't realize the existance of the Designated Protagonist trope and stuff like that. It was clear he had the same idea most of us did when we were kids. He was the hero. He could do whatever he wanted.

Kinda like all the Roald Dahl books...

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#70: Sep 9th 2010 at 3:42:42 PM

^That's Designated Hero. A character is a protagonist because the story focuses on him/her, no need for moral righteousness

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#72: Sep 9th 2010 at 9:13:52 PM

I get this is impression that he's a manchild.

narakunohana Flower of Hell Since: Dec, 1969
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#73: Sep 9th 2010 at 9:46:18 PM

^ That would be true if his ego were a part of his being one. I mean, seriously, he talks about J.K. Rowling and John Steinbeck like he's better than them.

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#75: Sep 10th 2010 at 2:26:53 AM

I actually liked Eragon when I first read it, though mainly for the cool monsters and badass action scenes and the like. Personally, I thought the world building wasn't half bad, and the dwarves were cool.

But then again, I hear the books are suffering sequelitis, which is a disappointment. Really, Paolini has some talent and ability there but the publishing deal probably means he's going to keep writing like a teenager as long as it makes money.


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