Image Changin' Etiquette

^^^I don't have as much of a problem with images that don't work without the text as with images whose text works without the image.

There appears to be a little purple ratio thing in the crowners now? Moar info on their function plz.

edited 3rd Feb '11 1:03:09 PM by melloncollie

Simple: They tell you the ratio of up votes to down votes, which helps to see more easily if the two-thirds or higher approval has been reached, and makes it easier to see which of two or more options with the same total has the stronger relative approval.

For instance, (and this is wildly exaggerated) the top two options on a crowner are both sitting at +5 total. But one has 50 up votes and 45 down votes, and the other has 6 up and 1 down. The 50/45 one has an approval ratio of 10:9 — it's very close to evenly split — there's no consensus that it's good or that it's bad. The 6/1 option has an approval of 5:1 — the split is much more lopsided; there is a strong consensus among thole who voted that it's good.

In general we look for at least a 2:1 ratio before we call "consensus" ; we want at least twice as many people saying "yes" as there are saying "no" (or vice versa).

edited 3rd Feb '11 1:58:26 PM by Madrugada

Ah, ok. That is a good clarification on crowner policy.

That's a great addition, and I think it may help a lot with some of the crowners that have been stuck for a while.

What about pulling images prior to a decision being made?

What exactly are you referring to? Normally when a IP thread is started about a page, the current pic is yanked because of the problems that led to the thread.

edited 19th Feb '11 6:46:00 AM by Willbyr

But it should then be put in a post in the thread. It's really difficult to say "Yes, this image is should be changed" when it's not there to see, and it's rude to make anyone who wants to take part in the discussion go digging through the page history to find the old one.

But what if people couldn't find an appropriate decision (so much so that it gets lost in the sea of threads)

The old pic generally stays gone; not having a pic is better than having a bad pic. Unless the thread dies, the link stays on the page so a new pic can be submitted at any time; threads don't get locked until someone asks a mod to do it.

edited 20th Feb '11 7:09:47 AM by Willbyr

Ah okay.

I think they've got a sixty days of no activity time limit on them now.

Did the Expiry Bot get reactivated after it went rampant a few months back?

It still locks threads that have been dead for 60 days, but it no longer deletes them.

edited 11th Mar '11 11:40:51 AM by Madrugada

If the image hasn't been pulled yet, please post if you think it's bad enough to be pulled or not. This will help with the elimination of bad images, regardless of whether or not a good image is found.

Unless the pic fits one or more of the current "pull on sight" criteria, a page which is under TRS discussion should not have an IP thread made until the TRS issues are resolved, as they could lead to the pic that's currently on the page actually fitting the trope.

Rescinded; will make a new post.

edited 28th Sep '11 1:01:22 PM by Willbyr

May I make a suggestion regarding the "bumping" of threads?

If you want to actually see the matter resolved, don't just post a one-word message reading "bump." When people see that, they may or may not remember what the thread was about or why things stalled, and may or may not be inclined to go back through the thread to refresh their memories.

It'd be better to bump with a short summary of the state of play and what specific issue is unresolved. What action is needed? What decision must be made?

The one-word "bump" is unlikely to do much more by itself than spawning a lengthy succession of other messages reading "bump."

I'll agree with that general philosophy.

As will I. We actually need to slow down on bumping old threads...I think we're getting sidetracked on threads because the old ones that are at the end of the line are getting mass-bumped...and I know that's exactly the reverse of what I said a while back, but we've plowed through and resolved the vast majority of those really old threads. Most of the threads that are getting bumped right now have only lagged for about a month or so rather than the 2-3 months that the really old threads had gotten to. I say that we work on knocking out all the threads on page 0 and all the ones that currently have crowners, and then start bumping old threads again.

edited 24th Apr '11 4:47:45 PM by Willbyr

We should probably set some kind of guideline on what constitutes "consensus" for a pic in a thread when there's not a crowner. How's this: If one pic option has support from at least 5 tropers and no other option has more than, say, two supporters. Fair enough?

No, I think it should be "near-unanimity," and wouldn't try to define that strictly.

As others have said, it's not like selecting a new image for That New Trope is a matter of life and death that must be executed with the utmost urgency. It's not like a horrible bug, or even at the level of some TRS issues. Waiting a while before changing an image won't cause serious harm to anyone.

Starting a crowner isn't especially onerous or time-consuming, particularly when you DO have an almost-consensus. Those cases tend to get very quickly ratified... and if they don't, it means you didn't actually have that consensus, so that's also a Good Thing.

I'd say five tropers in support of one image and two tropers in support of two other images is certainly not a consensus. I don't even think seven tropers in support of one image and one troper in support of another image would be a consensus either. If you're not sure whether there's a consensus, there's no consensus.

It's easy to run a crowner and adds very little time to a thread that already has a favorite. If there's at least one other option, I'd pretty much always run a crowner. It never hurts.

edited 27th Apr '11 1:17:37 PM by troacctid

So does that mean that the threads which have been decided by "consensus" in the past that didn't go to a crowner are no longer valid? That's what I'm trying to pin down...consensus and unanimity aren't the same thing, but that sounds like what you're trying to say.

To 's point, it's not a huge issue, but I've hesitated on calling some threads in the past because several people have said that they like one particular pic, but there have been other pics that have one or two tropers that like them.

edited 27th Apr '11 2:09:51 PM by Willbyr

Well, I obviously don't think we need to be unanimous to have a consensus, but I do think we should be unanimous, or close to it, to call consensus without a crowner.