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yay, this really fits me! as in, what my actual fighting style would be if I were to fight seriously. so far I only used my confusion-fu while playing basketball.

and let's make me wear pirate clothes because rule of cool and my usual pirate weeaboory.

this, sir, shall be the start of a new way to waste time putting people in cool personality-themed boxes.

im the friend who can never make up their mind of laughter

she magnificent my bastard till i complete on her monster

I'm the friend who sort of hangs off to the side watching everybody else of singing while crying.

I take back what I said about the list-making. I just ran out of ideas.

Re: Inversion, I'm not entirely sold on it, mainly because it depends on having specific definition of what a Witch is, which is a bit murky because we don't see much of Jade or Feferi during a good chunk of the story. And it's also entirely possible that some of the Witch/Seer confusion was intentional misdirection by Hussie, in that it seems more in Rose (who is obsessed with the occult) to be a Witch, and more in Jade (who sees through Skaia's clouds) to be a Seer, but that's just because the reader is projecting the traditional views of witches and seers onto SBURB's more rigorous definitions.

Though Classes aren't really my specialty, like, at all. I can write a lot on the Aspects, but the classes always seemed... ill defined to me, ironically enough. Like, there's supposed to be concrete definitions like we get for some, but we can only really theorize on the other characters based on what they have in common with other characters sharing their class (as opposed to Aspects, where you can at least rely on the accepted dichotomy).

@WMG in regards to the fanon class: OF COURSH!

edited 27th May '16 3:40:04 PM by DrPsyche

What would be the point of misdirection that's never corrected?

And, I mean, we see that grimdark Rose was acting more like a Witch (from what we see the Handmaid and Jade do), besides just being witchy, and what we later learn of Seers (passive coordinators, seem to gain understanding through a thing), Jade was acting something like a Seer beyond just the prognostication.

There were the shallow coincidences that are obvious, and also the more meaningful coincidences that are less so. Combine that with the Word of God that Rose went from active to passive when she godtiered (and thus, presumably, and from evidence, started to act more like a proper Seer), and that Jade went from passive to active, and how Calliope mentions that passivity and activity are one of the criterion for the soft inversion she describes (opposite Aspects and classes that are sufficiently different), that, even if you don't cardinalize that Witches and Seers always invert to each other in a strict system, that they are significantly different Classes that can and have (soft?)invert to each other.

And, it's fine if you don't find inversion particularly persuasive,

I just don't get people who think it's ridiculous or baseless nonsense, is all.

Mostly does better things now. Key word mostly. Writes things, but you'll never find them. Or you can ask.

In what ways does what Grimdark Rose does compare to what Feferi and Handmaid does?

...Active manipulation of her Aspect in a flashy manner? I was talking about powers, in a classpect discussion, for once.

Sorry I Thought That Was Obvious

Fhqwhgads, this is going to be the old "Heirs were obviously passive manipulators on my first readthrough" discussion all over again.

Mostly does better things now. Key word mostly. Writes things, but you'll never find them. Or you can ask.

I wake up and see classpects. What happened to "not causing major disagreements that won't be resolved"?

Um...

Nobody agreed with you that we shouldn't do that, that's what happened.

Really though, why should we stop talking about things just because people disagree? I dispute that nothing has come from them- In fact, Odder and I clearly just made some progress in the inversion discussion just now, for both of us; I helped explain the proposed Seer/Witch dichotomy to him, and in so doing I came to understand it better myself. Even if it hadn't actually convinced him of anything, nor he convinced me or anything, we both came to better understand a thing, and so the discussion was fruitful.

It's not like it's a Flame War, or that it's impossible to just, skip the posts in question if you don't want to read them. I don't know where else I'm supposed to talk about this, and I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to talk about it in a civil manner in a public thread where it is an appropriate topic of discussion?

edited 27th May '16 4:35:49 PM by RaichuKFM

Mostly does better things now. Key word mostly. Writes things, but you'll never find them. Or you can ask.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

i personally find inversion to be full of shit

i cant put my finger on how

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Because some of the big inversion theorists like using it to spin a giant web of predictions and/or are very touchy about the giant web being questioned.

Anyway, there's textual evidence that inversion is a thing. The follow up is then 'okay neat. Now what?'

Its a thing but it being a thing was then extrapolated into it being this HUGE THING that would EXPLAIN ALL THE THINGS? and people that disagreed with that I guess just started disagreeing with inversion all together because it was easier or because they forgot what they were talking about

I don't know. My eyes glaze whenever we talk the nitty gritty.

edited 27th May '16 4:56:36 PM by Bocaj

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I mean, there's clear textual evidence for Aspect inversion being a thing but the case is shaker when it comes to Classes. And certainly people out there relied way too much on it. I still have no idea why 'Aranea inverted when she turned evil!' became a thing people believe. She wasn't acting like a Prince of Void at all; she was just acting like an evil Sylph of Light. Which is to say she was acting like herself.

But:

/glances at Fishka acting in a way that feels decidedly not-Vriska and a lot like Horrus

/also glances at Aradia being filled with totally unexplained destructive impulses while she was a ghost, which immediately vanished when she Got Tiger

/also Gamzee totally made a habit of trying to get other people to believe in stuff while he was high, and stopped doing that once he sobered up.

I always liked inversion, but I never heard those pieces of evidence before!

(also, what do you mean by fishka acting like horuss? do you mean by being irrelevant?)

edited 28th May '16 12:21:10 AM by SmartGirl333

No, I mean by talking obliviously while not letting her significant other- who's trying to work up the courage to break up with her- get a word in edgewise, and talking about well she's come to know herself when really she's just defining herself with anything she thinks Meenah wants.

And also the bit where she suddenly decides she likes horses.

edited 28th May '16 12:59:48 AM by Gilphon

that, too, is full of shit. it's fine if you don't buy it but don't go around dismissing it as hoofbeastshit like that. think of the people busy analyzing the comic through it.

the issue there is that when you analyze the webcomic through that lens of course you'll find evidence for it; you're looking for it!

so when people are dubious about it and don't believe it, you get people who don't get the people who don't see it because the evidence is right there

so the people who don't buy into it (rightfully so, since there's no real evidence for it, only interpretations that it could be a thing) get pissy because the people who do buy into it keep pushing their evidence like it's fact when it's not

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae

I have no idea what inversion even is.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.

both sides are fine as long as they don't snark at each other.

blessed child.

It's the theory that most of John's decisions in Homestuck 3 were because he was inverted by the horrorterrors, allowing them to influence his decision.

I can't believe Homestuck got two sequels but Hussie still hasn't finished the Midnight Crew adventure.

He pawned it off to another creator, who rushed the ending for Christmas.

Dorku, indoctrination theory (from Mass Effect 3) is wrong, yes, but I don't get why you don't get it.

ME3 spoilers: The ending railroaded you into accepting one of three choices, limiting your agency, in a series about player agency; So the players made a theory explaining that lack of agency. It isn't hard to understand? (Indoctrination theory largely predated the Extended Cut, and thus the fourth ending where you do reject the choice, right?) It's because the ending is dumb because there's no option to tell the Catalyst that it's wrong, that it's forcing you into a choice on flawed premises; instead, you had to pick one of the choices, implicitly accepting the Catalyst's view that conflict between organics and synthetics is inevitable. When it's like, the whole point, that it's not. If you got the Geth and Quarians to get along, you should be able to point to Rannoch, tell it it's freaking wrong, and make your own choice. But you can't. The Extended Cut makes it a bit better, but the fourth ending still isn't really that; it's not taking any of the Catalyst's choices, but it's not really that great of a choice on its own. No, the ending of Mass Effect 3 wasn't as bad as a lot of people seemed to think, and no, a lot of the complaints were baseless, but it goofed up two of the major themes of the series, is it that surprising and confusing that people tried to come up with an explanation for that?

And uh.

I'm not sure what people think evidence means, re: inversion, but I don't think it's what evidence is.

There's indisputably evidence for it. It's dumb and stupid to deny that, can we stop denying that?

What there isn't, is proof.

You're completely within your rights to judge the evidence insufficient, unpersuasive, or whatever, and not believe inversion, but it's a bit silly to say that there's no evidence for it when there's... a lot? There is a lot of it. I just listed a whole lot of it, Gilphon gave some, there's a ton more. But it's totally okay and understandable to not be convinced by that. That doesn't mean it isn't evidence, just not, in your opinion, sufficient and/or good evidence. And, I think that's an important distinction?

And, tangentially, people who don't understand people who don't get it, aren't jackasses; people who don't understand how people could possibly get it, aren't jackasses; it's people who don't understand the other camp, and assume they're idiots, and act like jerks about it, who are the jackasses. Like, WMG, Ami isn't being rude/dumb by not buying inversion without really having a good reason to, she just, doesn't by inversion. For reasons that are apparently irrational, but extant, and, it's a theory about a system in a comic, it doesn't matter.

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You know, ultimately, the player was going to have a limited number of options on how the game ends. How do you think they could have given them more agency in that regard?

Oh God! Natural light!