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Rose really doesn't have Suddenly Sexuality, I think that Dave arguably does though.

I keep seeing the ad for the Krampus movie, damn, they keep playing it for that whole "cute innocent thing is now dark and violent" lots of edge.

I mean, Dave has been saying he loves John for years. (Literally - he told Rose that he loves John in a page that came out in February 2010). Saying it's Suddenly Sexuality just means that you weren't reading it right, especially when Dave himself has a pages-long speech about how he was afraid to examine that part of himself and think about what his feelings meant when he was younger.

Anyway, I'm in full support of bi Dave. Especially if Hussie does keep it specifically bi Dave and not gay Dave desperately trying to convince himself he's not gay by dating girls.

edited 30th Nov '15 8:55:53 PM by RedSavant

It's not about love. The kids all love each other.

It's about who wants sloppy makeouts with whom.

Yeah, for that specific instance with Dave and John I'm still pretty sure Dave was dicking around, like how Rose said she had a thing for insufferable pricks.

And besides, even with Dave's bisexuality I'm pretty sure he saw John as a friend rather than a romantic interest, unlike the Karkat romance that may have formed. Maybe it's just my lack of seeing the betas get together.

edited 30th Nov '15 9:08:37 PM by DrPsyche

@Psyche: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was being flippant there, but the JohnDave shippers weren't making things entirely up out of whole cloth. It's all a matter of how you read things, and how open you are to the possibility of finding out later in the story that your reading turned out to be mistaken.

Rose meta

Wasn't the whole thing about Dave's irony was that he pretended that it was a fake thing he did for laughs but he actually liked it? Or was that Dirk's irony? Dang all these levels of irony are somehow more confusing than alt timeline stuff.

@red:Oh yeah, I understand; subtext and al that. Plus it's homestuck, throwaway stuff like that cycles from important to just throwaway.

That said: John/Dave is from a different cloth: the "two male leads are here and I want them to make out" cloth that's present in all of fiction.

I watched BBC Sherlock, I understand the allure.

@Moth: it was a bit of both for Dave and Dirk, some parts sincere, some parts mucking about.

edited 30th Nov '15 9:19:21 PM by DrPsyche

@Psyche: Oh, of course. I'm just saying that I don't think the existence of the 'they are both alive and male and I'd like to see them kiss' brigade means that there's no hint of Dave struggling with his sexuality before his talk with Dirk. =)

@Red: I can understand that.

I... hm. I dunno. Can I state that I've been feeling really uncomfortable whenever people have been pulling that whole "Suddenly Sexuality" thing on Dave lately? And well. I wanna say more too too, because I feel like I'm gonna keep being uncomfortable if I don't. I just don't wanna get into an argument, y'know?

I finished Jessica Jones. It's a really damn good show, and a surprisingly well-done and respectful exploration of abuse (as far as I know— I'm not an authority; I haven't experienced it). It's really well made too.

edited 30th Nov '15 10:03:44 PM by Inari2600

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My 25 cents on the "Suddenly Sexuality" thing is that Dave's at an age where it makes perfect sense for him to still be figuring that shit out about himself. So I don't actually get why people have a problem with it.

This makes sense. Hell, I still can't tell if I'm straight, bi, or asexual.

Anyways, need sleep, talk later, guys.

And, I mean, consider the fact that he didn't realize Dirk was gay until he mentioned he had a thing with Jake. The signs were obviously there in retrospect, but he never put it together.

Which means he thought of all the stuff Bro did as a thing straight men do. There's no way his perception of sexuality wasn't at least a little warped.

Dude grew up surrounded by plush puppet porn. Fuckin' A his perception of sexuality is at least a little warped.

Meanwhile, on an only tangentially related note...

There's nothing quite like an immersion-shattering typo in a fanfic.

Spelling there wrong is one thing.

Seeing the sentence "it was their their idea" is another.

Every time a fanfic writer spells "you're" as "your" an angel loses its wings. That's why there are no more angels.

On a related note, an interaction between Dave and Igor was not something I knew I wanted to see.

edited 30th Nov '15 10:51:25 PM by LinkToTheFuture

Yeah, that stuff is annoying, and I do it all the time.

Incoming long post.

It just makes me really uncomfortable when people say that Dave has to be anything. Saying stuff like "Dave HAS to be straight because of such-and-such" makes me really uncomfortable because human sexuality just isn't that simple and I think it's underselling it to imply that it is. The straightest-seeming people in the world can turn out to be gay, and they can realize it way later than expected. There are people who don't think about sexuality their whole lives, and then just sort of understand who they are someday. It doesn't even have to mean they were repressing it, or struggling with it; some people just don't see it until they have the room to explore it. Hell, there are gay men out there who stay married to a woman for years and years and don't realize they aren't straight, not because they had to be repressing it, but because they didn't even know it was an option.

And even then, sexuality and the labels we put them under aren't really as rigid as we define them. At least, not to everyone, or even most people. Most people aren't a hundred percent anything, and people engage more with same-sex activity and relationships when there's a space and social capacity to explore that.

Heck, Dave doesn't even have to be bi! Plenty of people who've had opposite sex relationships and experiences realize they're gay, and even if it often involves repression or shame, it doesn't have to. Dave doesn't even have to have been struggling with it in the past, or have had a warped conception of it; Dave could've had any experience he could've, and that doesn't make it "unrealistic" or mean the development has to be justified into being correct.

So like, with all this in mind, it makes me really uncomfortable that people think that Dave has to be something. To me, that feels like people are just falling back on conceptions on what sexuality is without exploring all the different people and different experiences out there. This sort of thing happens. Again, Dave doesn't need some kind of narrative justification for him to be queer. People sure as hell don't need to. It's underselling the experiences of those who have lived it like that to claim that anything in particular makes a sexuality unrealistic.

EDIT: And it's not even just Dave; people do this with pretty much every character "suddenly revealed" to be anything but straight. I didn't even know we had Suddenly Sexuality on this site before this topic came up. Which makes me doubly uncomfortable, because pretty much everything I've said here applies for pretty much all those cases too.

There, I had my long Discourse. Watch One Punch Man. It's good.

edited 30th Nov '15 11:22:13 PM by Inari2600

Well, that was nicely detailed and well put. Kudos

There's a perfect game out there for those who like duck-sized horses and the like.

Also, I personally don't mind Dave being bi. Like, I don't care about any character's sexuality or lack of as long as the story makes sense and we don't get too much teen drama.

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