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oh what the hell junji ito

what did sanity ever do to you?

edited 30th Oct '14 9:32:53 PM by Bocaj

All this talk of doomed timelines makes me want to work on a fan session again.

The fact that I have yet to actually start either of the fanfics I said I was going to work on, means I actually could. I just need a good story to tell with it.

@Bocaj: I've said it before and I'll say it again, at least it wasn't Glyceride.

Glyceride wasn't terrifying, just disgusting. :P Not every one is a winner.

@Raichu, no, the Earth where the kids meteors landed in their original way still exists. B1 and B2 Earth have separate futures and pasts. Yes, their sessions don't occur twice, but their sessions still exist coming from B1. The Scratch has no effect on them whatsoever.

Well, that was a thing.

Random Homestuck-relevant thought: last update was the first time I've ever wanted to slap PM upside the head.

That disgust has implanted itself on my mind as one of the most unpleasant reads ever. I couldn't even finish it.

Okay, quick question. Has anyone here seen an AU where the Alpha kids are the same, but their genes are combined differently to make different Beta kids? by which I mean...

Canon- Jake + Jane = Jade and John, Dirk + Roxy = Dave and Rose.

This Idea- Jake + Roxy = Joan and Remy, Dirk + Jane = Dani and Joel. Or something to that effect.

Usually what I've seen is the beta kids being raised by different guardians (Rose raised by Dad, Jade raised by Bro, etc). I guess it's a difference of nature versus nurture though.

Wait, what? You're saying the Universe B1 wasn't replaced by Universe B2?

I only just now got to Act 3 on my re-read, so I could use a refresher on Scratches, really.

Addendum: Welp. The Exiles were running from the Red Miles, that's the only reason B1 blew up. Huh. It seems I was wrong.

edited 30th Oct '14 11:03:55 PM by RaichuKFM

I am pretty much positive B1 earth kept on existing until it's section of Bilious was disintegrated by the Red Miles, not the scratch. I'm not sure.

Yeah, the Red Miles were what destroyed it. As I said, I was wrong.

Oh. Sorry, I haven't updated this thread in a while, I didn't realise how far it'd progressed since then.

Half the time I just wind up revising my posts immediately a few times, anyways.

Bad habit.

That's the thing - it doesn't make sense for Scratches to affect other Sessions. Scratches re-iterate the universe, but that universe doesn't overwrite the one the players originally came from. And given the nature of Paradox Space, it seems like Scratches only happen when they were already going to/had already done so. The only thing Scratches do is change where the meteors go, so Sessions that aren't already destined to be interfered with by the Scratched Session would likely have no reason to perform one.

Basically, if your Session isn't already cosmically fucked by Paradox Space, you neither will have to nor will perform a Scratch. Hell, we can't even say for sure that the only successful Sburb players are the ones who are ectobiologically born. By the basic rules of Sburb that we've seen, none of that should be necessary for a normal Session; it's part of the game equipment solely because someday the Beta kids and the Alternian trolls would need it, because their Sessions are the most important Sessions ever played.

So, fanventures from human sessions would be incidental little crumbs on the scale of paradox space.

Not meant to go anywhere, just a side effect of distributing the game in a way that would encourage the four heroes actually destined to get anwhere to take part.

^I mean, I don't imagine for a second that only one Session per... seed planet, for lack of a better word, can succeed. But I get the feeling that successful distribution, teambuilding, and Entering is rare enough on its own, and the game is clearly very hard on its own. I don't think that only one team per cycle proves its right to create a new universe, but the players do have to prove it.

Yeah.

Then again, in B1's case, it was terminal, so even sessions that did start were destined to fail. It's just that the Beta Kid's session was fated to fail in a certain way that ensured the Weird Plot Shit.

Yeah, definitely. We can't take any B-universe Sessions as standard for anything, really, not when all the Sessions we see are all messed up in unique ways.

It's really kind of amazing that Hussie came up with this idea for a game that would be a pretty dang engaging story all on its own and then said 'nope, that's way too vanilla. Let's look at the most screwed-up Sessions of this game ever played!'

I'm actually making a fan adventure myself, though it's hosted on a private forum with a few friends.

Though once I complete the first act (soon), I'll put it up on the fanventure site.

I'm doing my best to keep to canon, which means, yeah, the session can't win, but that's not really the point of the story in a lot of ways.'

Sad stuff

Funny stuff

Have a safe and fun Halloween you guys.

edited 31st Oct '14 2:02:45 AM by DrPsyche

I have imagined before the possibility that SBURB is not merely a biological reproduction method for creating universes, but the possibility that it may be an evolutionary system.

The idea works like this: sessions produce universe frogs through creating various combinations of frog DNA. The end result is the Genesis frog, a frog that can become an entire Universe. But they aren't trying to create a perfect clone, so the reproductive process introduces mutations. These mutations may improve the likelihood that a Universe will itself spawn one or more successful sessions. But what if SBURB's game code itself, as deciphered from the Frog Temple, is itself determined by the genetic code of the Genesis frog? In that case, the code for the game itself is subject to mutation. There could be universes out there which have totally unrecognizable versions of the Game.

Only one problem: the logic of natural selection would lead us to the conclusion that most sessions will be easy to win, by virtue of them outreproducing the others. But we know in fact that null sessions are very common. This would seem to call for a designer, albeit not an intelligent one, in the sense of someone or some thing interfering with evolution's natural course.

A low mutation rate doesn't suffice, because there hypothetically are an infinite number of universes, an infinitely long frog family tree.

Perhaps the easy sessions have a tendency to produce incompetent, irresponsible gods that wreck their new universe before it can bear fruit.

I'm Australian, so this here is the closest thing I can get to Halloween today.

I'm Aradia, by the way.

My Halloween was in Korea, so nothing happened.