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I didn't say they weren't allowed to, just not on screen :P

I should note that I am aware that my feelings about this are absurd. Doesn't stop them from being legitimately felt.

Also yes. I am allergic to the cooties.

edited 9th Oct '12 7:28:56 AM by madaco

Cry from joy maybe. If Vriska started making out with John, Tavros could ollies outies and get away from her. And thus everyone would be happy.

Maybe then he can go sit on a sand dune and stare at the horizon with his mouth open until he's buried in sand, like everyone apparently wants him to do.

Clearly you forgot about the sick fires he was having with Dave. You seem to be convinced that if he weren't being horribly stuck with Vriska, he wouldn't be doing anything. But he would be doing the most important thing of all. Hanging with one of several dead Daves.

Someone needs to keep them company.

I'm sure the Daves would be very glad to have his false confidence around. Maybe when he charges Lord English head-on, he'll buy them an extra few milliseconds before the mouth-laser gets them.

Nah, he had gotten past the false confidence thing.

Geez, its like you're not paying any attention at all.

Oh, right. Well, maybe all the whining will inspire the Daves to throw him into the beam and make it backfire. That would be one way to kill Lord English, wouldn't it?

You so silly, that's not a Dave thing to do.

What's so wrong with wanting Tavros to be happy?

I defy you to give more than one example of a time when Tavris was better off or happy 'because of Vriska, instead of in spite of her.

He has had slightly more than a lifetime's worth of her "help".

*shrug* More Vriska for John. The last we saw of Tavros, he was thanking Vriska for killing him because he was worthless; she may not be the best person to have had to drag him out of that morass, but she was the only one around.

Anyway, it's 12:30AM and I'm not arguing this any further. Have fun, guys.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:26:39 AM by RedSavant

Drag him deeper into that morass.

And before that, we saw him perfectly happy to be hopping around the bubbles. He only seemed to act depressed around Vriska. So many of his living conversations with Vriska were like that. She kind of has a way of tearing him down.

Oh, right. SoicalLinkStuck. I was going to do that, wasn't I? Gimme a mo'.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:37:29 AM by Anura

...somehow, every time I have a conversation with people who support Tavros, I like him less and less. Especially since everyone seems to want him to stay pathetic and thinking he's useless and not standing up for himself through any method other than lying on the ground like a dead fish.

I like the kid. But he's no more a healthy individual than Vriska is.

This, basically.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:40:08 AM by RedSavant

When I said "happy" I didn't mean with Vriska. I meant not collecting sand in his mouth or being killed by Lord English. I'm fine with how he was when we met him.

No, I just don't think that the solution is more Vriska. I don't think the options have to be divided between "do nothing" and "some hair of the dog that bit ya".

Exactly.

At that point there wasn't a choice, though. He decided on his own after getting a taste of Vriska's "real self-confidence" (which, spoiler, isn't real at all, for the most part) that he was worthless and refused her apology for killing him by saying that he deserved it. Sure, someone else might have come along eventually, but he was in no condition to be left there.

Look at it this way - romping around the afterlife with Vriska will give him plenty of opportunity to get away from her and hang with other dead people if that's what he really wants. If it's someone who's really concerned about his autonomy, if Vriska tries to mind-control him back to her, they can just smack her and leave.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:52:47 AM by RedSavant

Any ships involving Vriska just make me think "ehhhhhhhh".

I kinda want her to end back up with Kanaya so Gamzee can have Tavros. ;p And then John could have Rose.

Cause I'm pretty sure that Kanaya's a lesbian, but Rose is just more of a tease.

He was hanging with other dead people before Gamzee made the Tavris and the resulting explosion forced him into Vriska's desolate dream plane.

His situation is no better than before because now he also has to hang with Vriska because she won't let him leave.

"Vriska's desolate dream plane".

The desert is Tavros' Land, man. Vriska's Land was an oceanic wonderland of islands and treasure.

So the real one to blame is Gamzee.

I would really like to see how Tavros is viewing the situation with Vriska. Maybe if John talks to them we'll get a better idea of what Tavros is thinking?

And islands with treasure on them.

edited 9th Oct '12 8:56:50 AM by Medinoc