Pokémon General Thread

No, that was a possible result of an alternative action. The explicit stated result was that the meteor would be pushed somewhere else; Zinnia merely pushed the idea that it had to end up in an unprepared parallel universe but there was no reason that that would happen over, say, it popping into the middle of nowhere or a parallel universe that was a million times more prepared.

Especially considering her first grand plan was to summon an entity so powerful it would wipe out all life on the entire planet and hope Rayquaza showed up to save the day. Considering that even when she manages to summon Rayquaza in a best case scenario, Their Great Noodleness was too weak to Mega Evolve would've meant that her amazing first plan literally would've killed everyone if you hadn't intervened.

So no, Zinnia's plan was stupid.

I feel like Zinnia knew for certain that, if the meteor was sent to another world, it would 100% land in Ruby Sapphire Hoenn. Her first plan was terrible, though there was no way for her to know that it was destined for failure.

But how could she know that for certain? The Link Cable was made of magic science. The Draconids have nothing in their prophecies of Their Great Noodleness's Bedtime Stories involving teleporting meteors across dimensions.

Unless... Wait, what's that you got there, Zinnia? Is that the script?

It was stupid because she immediately took the most extreme route instead of telling anybody what the fuck was going on.

Then again the Draconids decided to grasp the Idiot Ball and not say a word to anybody when they knew the meteor was coming 3,000 years ahead of time.

I just assume that there was a ton of stuff Zinnia didn't tell us, considering that's the entire point of the Delta Episode.

So basically the only reason their was a conflict is because she refused to communicate anything to anyone for no reason. Which almost got the entire world killed twice.

edited 5th Sep '15 12:33:35 AM by Karxrida

Zinnia was part of an ancient secret society. Are we really surprised that she was mysterious and didn't tell anyone anything?

Y'know, as bad as Zinnia is, at least she isn't your scumbag dad.

Hey, at least Norman exists, unlike the fathers of the protagonists in Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh, and Unova (the Kalos protagonist at least has the excuse that their parents are probably divorced because the mom ran him over in a Rhydon race).

edited 5th Sep '15 12:53:57 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

I have two 6v6 battles in Alpha Sapphire, but all my opponent left before the battle is over.

The first one involved my Barbaracle utterly destroys a Tyranitar after using Shell Smash. The opponent left. Also, I forgot to give Gallade Galladite before that battle.

The second one involved my Venusaur facing off Shuckle. After using Sticky Web and Toxic, that trainer switched to Salamence. Salamence did a huge damage to Venusaur, but my Venusaur is bulky enough to withstand that. Then I switch to Porygon2 which traced its ability. He switched to Hawlucha which I didn't expected and used Foul Play on it. Hawlucha then used High Jump Kick on Porygon2. Since it has Eviolite, Porygon2 survives and finishes off with Ice Beam. He left as well before the battle is finish.

As for Battle Spot, I'm not even sure why an Adamant Weavile can outspeed a mega Lopunny and an Aerodactyl.

Then again, a lot of opponent I faced usually quit in Pokemon Showdown.

Speaking of, how did the one who ran people over with a Rhydon get custody of the child?

If a race-horse jockey lost control of her animal and it only hit one person and she was retired, you would take away her child?

Bug vs Fire

I'm sure he must have had to go and do something else

Because I don't think there's any way I could have won that.

guys, Zinnia is like 12. She doesn't have the best thinking skills yet.

Why would anyone listen to her anyway? She's just some random girl with a plan.

And the other world would have had no way to prepare for the meteor, no matter what the world was. It would've just showed up with no explanation or warning.

Besides, her plan worked out anyway, and very few people were harmed in the process.

Where do people get the idea that Zinnia is a child or a teenager, as opposed to just a short adult? The comment she made about Aster being her 'daughter' kinda implies that she is at least in her 20s.

edited 5th Sep '15 11:21:47 AM by PushoverMediaCritic

The Aster she was referring to with that comment was her Whismur, who says "mum" to her at several points in the game.

There's another Aster, who she named her Whismur after, that is way more implied to be a childhood friend.

Yeah, Zinnia looks even less like a 12-year-old than RS-era May did. :P

Pretty sure that Whismur can't speak human language.

The mum is presumably just standard Whismur murmuring, too, so Zinnia's a bit cheeky if that's the source- It'd be like calling a Growlithe your favorite fashionista for all those bows.

edited 5th Sep '15 12:00:36 PM by Pulse

Zinnia is no way 12.

I mean, I know precocious puberty is a thing, but that is the body of someone in their early-to-mid 20's. MAYBE 18 or 19 if you want to push the lower end, but likely not.

Best gen? Well, I gets nostalgia, but honestly I played gen II way more so I get a massive case of Seinfeld Is Unfunny with Kanto.

II is the one I've beat like two dozen times (I have fond memories of running it at 600% speed and beating the champion in one afternoon), but I'm playing SS right now and it isn't really rocking my socks anymore.

III has a great balance of Pokemon, level design, production values (music, visuals and such), and being easily emulateable in a phone.

IV I feel is the most underrated, it gets a lot of crap but it's a ton of fun, Platinum has a bunch of good mons to use, and it's pretty balanced and enjoyable.

V didn't interest me enough to finish, gonna give it another go but overall its mons are pretty meh.

VI was fun in a power-fantasy sort of way since you could catch pretty much everything and overlevel them without a care, but the level design was atrocious.

Gen III is my favorite because its starters are my favorite.

Considering I've only ever played LG, I can't really say beyond anything like that.

I was looking through the Pixiv page for Zinnia, seeing if there was anything I didn't know there. And I found some information that I don't think any English site ever translated. It comes from an interview with Shigeru Ohmori (director of ORAS) in the April issue of Nintendo Dream. This is the same issue where they talked about how they couldn't come up with a design for Mega Flygon.

It's about Zinnia and Aster. To translate what I could find.

Interviewer: She was an important character in Delta Episode, but many things were left unexplained about her within the game. She's a mysterious character.

Ohmori: Zinnia is a descendent of the Dragon Tribe, and the one who passes down the stories from long ago.

Ohmori: Speaking for the scenario writer again, Zinnia herself doesn't have any particular abilities. She's a very normal human. One day Zinnia had to take on the duties that once belonged to a person with special powers named Aster, but Zinnia didn't have abilities as a Lorekeeper from the start. That she acted as though she was a person who could nothing, that was a part of the story for Delta Episode.

Interviewer: That's not something that was clearly shown in the game, was it?

Ohmori: Yes. It was purposely left unclear. Though she did say at one point "I'm someone who couldn't become anyone, so what exactly am I?" (in-game translation: "I couldn't become who I was supposed to be, so who does that make me now?")...
In the end she tried to save the world, and could do nothing but pass her lore down to the protagonist.

The most important part of this is that he heavily implies that Aster, the girl Zinnia's Whismur is named after, was the previous the Lorekeeper before Zinnia and had some sort of special power or ability Zinnia doesn't.

Oh, that's another good way to rank them: by starters. I>II=III>IV=VI>V.