Dragon Ball Z Abridged

True.

Manga Vegeta reached it by being super-emo about his inability to become a Super Saiyan, though we never actually get to see it; he just explains, "My limitations were made painfully obvious to me. It was then, in my self-loathing, that it suddenly awoke the Super Saiyan within me!"

Anime Vegeta reached it by forgetting he was powerful enough to destroy planets with ease, and being so threatened by an incoming asteroid that it unlocked out of desperation.

Which means that Team Four Star's version is actually more accurate to the manga than the anime's Adaptation Expansion.

edited 3rd Aug '15 12:07:29 PM by TobiasDrake

So Frieza was right?

edited 3rd Aug '15 12:10:09 PM by Parable

Resurrection F review.

I very clearly remember there being something about him saying he normally would have been able to easily blow up that meteor but was too exhausted from all of his ridiculous training. So they at least tried to make it make sense.

edited 3rd Aug '15 2:33:45 PM by LSBK

This may sound crazy, but...is Goku becoming the Butt-Monkey?

He was always a monkey.

Wasn't Gero working on them because Goku destroyed the Red Ribbon Army? This got brought up long ago, but just about everything bad between the start of the series to the end of Z is because of Goku's involvement. Goku's a constant annoyance to Pilaf? Pilaf unleashes King Piccolo. Goku destroys Red Ribbon Army? Gero creates the Androids(Cell might have been For Science!, I don't know the manga/anime reason for Cell's creation). Goku's just living on Earth to begin with? Raditz arrives and starts blowing shit up. Goku and Piccolo kill Raditz? Vegeta and Nappa learn of the Dragon Balls and arrives and blows shit up. Freiza gets involved because Team Three Star shows up to revive Goku and Freiza (tries to) attack Earth.

Once Cell was killed and Goku says no to being revived, the Earth was at peace till the very day that Goku decides to stop by.

Babadi's plan was completely independent of Goku, though. He was a free agent who chose Earth as his harvesting ground while Goku was dead.

It's not so much that Babidi "chose" Earth so much as it is the Universe knew that Goku would be on Earth that one day and set things up accordingly.

That is true. Babies would have come to earth anyway, because that's where Buu's pod was, but he chose the exact same day agony came back. Any other time it wouldn't have mattered.

That is a fair point, actually. If Goku wasn't on Earth, most of the plot wouldn't have happened. Even Pilaf would likely not have been able to reunite the dragon balls that first time if Bulma and Goku haven't done the heavy lifting. Babidi is unrelated, but without the Supersayans, he would have much more trouble to gather the energy to revive Buu. That would possibly be enough time for the Kaioshin to deal with them.

Goku's logic is still dumb, though. He is already there, and he had already done all that shit. What guarantees he haven't messed up already and just didn't know yet? It is not like dying that one time actually stopped the Androids, since the Red Rainbow was still destroyed and Gero still thought Goku was alive. Babidi/Buu presence on Earth was a complete coincidence. Goku indirectly made it worst by him and his child providing the necessary energy for Buu to wake up. But even if he haven't stopped by for the tournament, Gohan and Vegeta were still both there and would still potentially "donate" the necessary energy for Buu.

edited 3rd Aug '15 4:15:35 PM by Heatth

Goku had a monkey butt until it was cut off by Kami.

God hates monkey butts.

Sun Wukong is the Monkey King after all.

I could've sworn I remembered Vegeta saying he went Super Saiyan because of outrage at his inferiority in the anime dub.

Um, what the hell is "Imma plant me a dumbass tree" a reference to?

Also, while I'm a little late, I'd like to try and dispute some of Tobias Drake 's points made here.

1) I'm pretty sure Goku stayed in space to train because he wasn't in full control of the Super Saiyan transformation. Yes, he was training, but to avoid accidentally blowing up the planet.

2) He does have a limit on how far he can port. He's limited by needing to sense Ki. It's possible that earth was too far away for him to sense anything. Also, remember what he told Trunks: He was about to make his move when the latter roflfstomped Frieza first. In other words, he was going to instant transmission himself to earth when Frieza landed, but then later was killed and he clearly saw no point. Earth was safe again, and there was little reason to rush.

3) for the two points about Gohan, Goku never really saw Gohan fight. He trained with him (which Gohan was anxious to do in canon) but never saw the desperate fights he was in. Hell, the one time Goku saw Gohan's power, it was when the latter first used it. I really think that never seeing that meant that Goku mistook Gohan's wanting to train with his dad as a love of fighting. This is a theory I've come up with before, but I don't mind beating a dead horse stating it again.

.....That's pretty much it. Can't dispute some of the other stuff.

That first point is just headcanon. Headcanon I fully agree with but it's neither stated nor implied anywhere.

The second point, too.

Goku many times has teleported from King Kai's planet to Earth and vice versa, which is much farther away from Earth than Yardrat is.

True, but he never thought of trying that until they needed new Dragonball.

I mean, he flat out said he'd never tried to port that far before, so it never occurred to him to try and do it, so he never considered using King Kai's as a mid point station as it was.

He'd only just learned the technique. He probably hadn't explored all the options with it yet.

edited 3rd Aug '15 5:38:52 PM by HandsomeRob

Kai is in another dimension so, it is not quite as straightforward. Maybe it is easy to sense ki there, for some reason. Don't forget that, after training for 3 years + 1 in the Room of Spirit and Time, Goku still couldn't find the Namekians until Kaioh pointed the direction. He is limited by his ability to find the ki he needs to, although it is true the specific reason for him never teleporting back to earth is never stated, a convenient canon explanation does exist.

Plus he was much stronger when he teleported to King Kai's planet than when he was getting back from Yardrat.

Ah, okay.

Because reasons: the best explanation. :P

...Is that sarcasm? We gave reasons: Goku is stronger when he got to New Namek/Kai than he was when her come back from old Namek.

EDIT:Or you are talking about my coment about going to Kaioh being different than going to Namek? Because it is. Your premise was wrong. You said Kai's planet is farther away from New Namek but that is not actually the case at all. Kai's planet is in another dimension. That is not really "farther away" as we can't actually measure the distance. You might as well say it is, in fact, closer.

edited 3rd Aug '15 6:01:45 PM by Heatth

Whether or not Kaiou-sama's planet is closer to Earth than New Namek is dependent entirely on how you want to look at things along with some other factors that we lack information on.