Dragon Ball Z Abridged

Vegito wishes he were as awesome as Hercule's fame.

Mr. Satan may be a fake ulimate hero, but not a fake hero. Though he's seriously outclassed by the main cast and most of the B and C team, he's still the strongest non-ki-using human in the world.

I just like the way he adds a little comic relief to the background, really.

I like his heart of gold. Like that time he was awarded tons of money for protecting the Earth and immediately turned around and gave it all to Goku just 'cause it was the right thing to do.

Goku didn't even want it. Mr. Satan had to convince him to take the money.

Videl was much stronger than Satan even before learning how to use ki.

More to the point, I still don't actually like Mr. Satan, and probably never will, but I sure hate him a lot less than I used to.

edited 23rd Mar '17 3:01:55 PM by LSBK

Satan's pretty cool

I didn't dislike Mr. Satan as a character, but didn't really like the way he looked...

I don't hate him either. He proved himself to me when he convinced Buu to stop just by being willing to talk to him.

He's also a reminder for me of how some characters will get development if Toriyama likes them enough to do so. Satan is a Joke Character. One with a lot of Hidden Depths, but a joke character none the less. He's kinda exactly the character Old Birman would enjoy writing.

But I look hate him, and I look at the suddenly returning Pilaf Gang, and I think...what about all those other characters you made who you do nothing with?

What about that girl who you randomly married off to the main character for a really dumb reason? What about that lady who could be considered a accidental Proto-super saiyan who just fucking disappeared?

Why did you bring in a girl to fall in love with Gohan then make her utterly irrelevant?

When is Chiaotzu going to become Super (whatever the hell Chiaotzu is) God Super whatever?

...Right. That last one is dumb. This is ultimately just me bitching my usually bitch tests.

I thank all of you for putting up with me.

Hail Satan.

It's no exaggeration to say that Mr. Satan saved the world from Majin Buu. Twice.

Even during the Cell Arc when he was a total tool, he still went to the Cell Games to fight a monster that had killed a ton of people with the intent of saving the world.

edited 23rd Mar '17 4:36:19 PM by Hobgoblin

He did that because he didn't actually believe Cell did all of those things.

And Mr. Satan didn't actually "save the world" from Kid Buu, because the entire Spirit Bomb thing was unnecessary. I'm not even sure what the other time you're thinking of is.

edited 23rd Mar '17 4:38:22 PM by LSBK

Convincing Buu to stop killing people.

Convincing people to put up their hands to give the Spirit Bomb energy.

Neither is saving the world from Buu because neither was necessary.

Necessary or not, it's what happened. The Spirit Bomb, I mean.

edited 23rd Mar '17 4:43:14 PM by LordVatek

Did I say it didn't happen? But, for the latter one especially, necessary counts for a lot.

Whether it happened is far more important than whether it could have happened another way. Regardless of whether another character could have saved the world doing it differently, the fact remains that Satan is the one who did.

It takes away from it a bit when the entire situation is manufactured and the alternative would have been much faster and safer.

LSBK, why are you trying so hard to downplay Satan's contributions.

A pinch of distaste for the character but mostly genuinely not thinking his contribution counts for much in the scheme of things.

That says nothing about my opinion of his actual development as a character, which was done pretty well.

edited 23rd Mar '17 5:32:26 PM by LSBK

What other ways are we talking here? Going Vegito again? Giving Gohan a free pass from the afterlife?

Against Fat Buu, if he didn't meet Mr. Satan either Gotenks, or more likely Gohan would have just killed him, and then they would have used the Dragonballs to revive everyone.

Against Kid Buu, after reviving everyone they could have just had Gohan come in and end things quickly. Vegeta vetos that in favor of a much harder, symbolic victory that doesn't even stick because most of the people on Earth have no idea what's going on and have all of their memories of Buu erased. Meaning the whole "Satan convinces everyone to give their energy" thing was just one step in a very unnecessary detour to end that battle.

None of this reflects my opinion of said character development of either Satan or Mr. Buu.

But with it all in mind, I can't take the point "Mr. Satan saved people from Buu twice" seriously. But, none of this really matters, and I'd rather not ruin anyone else's fun more than I might already have.

Edit: Maybe Mr. Satan was important for stalling and getting Mr. Buu out to stall so they could bring everyone else back in the first place. So, maybe he gets points for that?

edited 24th Mar '17 6:50:09 AM by LSBK

LSB Ks opinion is well explained to me, and I never took um bridge with it to begin with.

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I say WE HANG THEM BOTH!

I can see the point with the Spirit Bomb thing. That's on Toriyama for being so hell bent on keeping Gohan out of the fight now that he'd decided to push for making Goku the big hero again.

Seconded.

• Goku: Let's just bring Gohan here to deal with Buu now that he's alive again!
• Vegeta: No! We're sticking with my plan! Because it's a great plan! It has symbolism and stuff. We'll use the power of the Earth to defend the Earth against this threat!
• Goku: But isn't Buu a threat to the entire universe?
• Vegeta: NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE UNIVERSE!!!
• Goku: Okay...but can we bring Gohan here to stall Buu rather than risking complete annihilation of your soul?
• Vegeta: ...
• Five Minutes Later
• Goku: Okay, Gohan, we need you to fight Buu, but don't win. We've got this whole symbolism thing going on. It's very important to Vegeta. Just keep him on the ropes for an hour or two.
• Vegeta: Try and look like it's really hard so no one will think about how quickly you could have ended this.

edited 23rd Mar '17 9:56:40 PM by TobiasDrake

Hercule: "I am the Hype!"

Vegeta: "....Kill him!"

I'm dead.

Also, they added Super to the opening disclaimer. Interesting.