A Song Of Ice And Fire

Also probably not gone around raping people. And maybe baby proofed the Dreadfort a bit

Yeah, Roose is just as monstrous and sadistic as his son. He, like Tywin, is just better at hiding it.

I believe the idea behind Jon living beyond his siblings is based on being a fire wight and there being a timeskip epilogue far into the future where Jon is still alive and looks the same.

I will love a epilogue showing a Modern Westeros, We still have that plot twist that will comes at the end, like TV show's runner's said about Shereen Burning and Hold the Door ,but I though that the Immortal being on the future,will be as Bran's point of view . People said Sam's is the series narrator from the future,but Bran last POV foreshadowing him as Skinchange was a way of Writting for the Childs of the Forest .

edited 30th Dec '17 10:24:30 AM by LoutishHelminthic

I suppose Roose should've taken care of Ramsay right away, but the Boltons are unique in that there's no shade of grey in any living one. Granted there's only two of them, but even the Freys have more grey to them

Pretty cool theory saying that House Cassel is a bastard Stark branch.

Uses information from WOIAF. Apparently House Cassel's sigil is 10 white wolves on grey with a black border. And those tend to be the reversed colors of Stark bastards .(Jon Snow's sigil is a White Wolf on a black field)

Also House Cassel would be descended from Lonny Snow. Lonny Snow's father being Lord Brandon Stark who was a 10th child.

Explains why two different Cassels are both the master-at-arms and also the captain of the guards.

Being a Stark is suffering, even being a Stark bastard branch

So do you think Dunk shit his pants when he realized he threatened to break Bloodraven's neck?

@Mad Skillz- Best theory I've seen in a while. Especially because it addresses my belief both that there should be more Starks around and that Great Houses should have "poor relations" doing that Castellan role.

I don't think he actually realised that. The hints are more for us - the reader - to figure it out or speculate about it, not for the character.

edited 15th Jan '18 6:48:39 PM by DrunkenNordmann

Yep and it's easy to see how the role of Castellan becomes the house name Cassel.

Examples of houses keeping the role of castellans within the family :

Ser Damion Lannister(half-cousin) is Cersei's castellan.

Ser Manfrey Martell(cousin) is Doran's castellan.

Ser Axell Florent(brother-in-law) was Stannis' castellan.

Ser Harbert (brother or brother-in-law) was Steffon Baratheon's castellan.

Ser Colin Florent(youngest brother) was Alester Florent's castellan.

Ser Rolph Spicer(brother-in-law) was Lord Gawen's castellan.

Hothers and Mors Umbers(uncles) were Greatjon Umber's castellans.

Ramsay Snow(bastard son) was Roose's castellan.

So it tends to be all family or in-laws when it comes to the home seat, yeah.

This just makes me sadder that Rodrik and Jory were killed though.

I hope Beth is okay.

edited 15th Jan '18 7:24:48 PM by MadSkillz

I know he didn't during the events, but I wonder if he ever found out later on.

Well this was an interesting thing I discovered:

An empty suit of armor is an apt description for Beric Dondarrion.

I think the first quote is also meant to foreshadow the Brotherhood Without Banners turning into something monstrous (under LS).

Dragons= Monsters.

Alternatively, the BWB is going to morph into a band of dragon's men and follow Jon/Daenerys after LS.

The other quotes point to Beric being fire made flesh which would mean that it applies to Jon and Cat as well. They're like human dragons/monsters.

Also fun quote that could point to Stannis surviving in the books:

I'm not sure the "dragons=monsters" thing really works — dragons tend to represent power, tyranny, or Targaryens, not mindless savage beasts.

It does fit rather nicely with the theory that the BWB are secret Targaryen loyalists, though...

EDIT: I suppose there is a theme of uncontrolled dragons — dragons without a Targaryen at the reins — being rampaging, destructive beasts, so there might be a connection there.

edited 31st Jan '18 11:48:34 AM by johnnye

There seems to be two competing theories for who lives to atone for their past as the next Lord commander of the nights watch. Stannis and Jaime. I've always thought it would be Stannis who survives the story and takes the black and Jaime who dies with or soon after Cersei.

edited 31st Jan '18 6:46:40 PM by byakugan0889

Assuming the Watch even exists. If the books end with the Others defeated I don't see why there'd be a need for the Wall and Night's Watch.

Defeated but not destroyed, is one think to push them back is another to get rid of them forever.

Im the only one who thinks Rhilor was just the previous AA deify eons ago?

Does Joffrey know he's not Robert's real son? Jaime thinks he doesn't, but he could be mistaken and it's possible Joffrey kept that secret to himself

Pretty sure Joffrey doesn't know.

Someone pointed out recently that Jon being the 998th Lord Commander strongly suggests there's going to be at least two more in the span of the series. You don't mention something so tantalisingly close to a round number if you're not counting up to it.

So it could be Stannis and Jaime both spend some time as LC... but I doubt that.

The competing theories seem to rest on different things. Stannis taking the black seems like a plausible & fitting fate for him as a person, but Jaime seems to be the one who's got more narrative foreshadowing on his side.

It would feel kind of mean in a sort of cosmic irony kind of way if the last commander was #999 - or #1000, but no one knows who it was. Let's say someone gets named the 999th Lord Commander, there's a desperate and ultimately futile battle against the Others, and during said battle the Lord Commander dies and someone is very quickly promoted - but since there are no surviving witnesses, no one will ever know who it was. The last ever Lord Commander, then, would be anonymous. (Well, sort of - it's from a pool of candidates that's basically knowable, at least in principle, but still.)

There's more than two actually. You guys forgot about Jorah Mormont.

I don't actually think there's all that much foreshadowing that Jaime joins the Night's Watch. His dream in ASOS strongly implies that he dies at the end of the story:

Very interesting that word choice. "[Terror] closed a hand around his throat".

Jaime joining the Night's Watch is thrown around but so is Littlefinger, Tyrion and Theon joining the Night Watch.

But it'd be pretty amusing if they all joined the Night's Watch at the end though.

Imagine Stannis, Jaime, Littlefinger, Jorah, Tyrion and Theon all having to suffer each other's presence.

I still expect Jaime and Cersei to die during a murder-suicide as King's Landing burns around them. I also expect Stannis to die before he could conceivably lead the Watch.

That's a fantastic mental image.