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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37051: May 20th 2015 at 9:32:21 PM

Interesting.

I do know that Daenerys is in part based off of a lot of Stuart princesses according to GRRM.

Also I really like this picture of Jon Snow. Although this might be a little too handsome to be Jon Snow and closer to Theon Greyjoy before he became Reek.

Something I've noticed though and I don't know if it's the TV show's fault but in 95% of the artwork I see, Jon Snow is depicted with black hair. Although that's kind of how I imagine him in my head too, he actually has brown hair.

edited 20th May '15 9:33:32 PM by MadSkillz

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#37053: May 20th 2015 at 9:35:54 PM

The entire exchange about Littlefinger and Cromwell and Gatsby and gangsters and etc.

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[up]Can't see him as Jon Snow either. Friggin' Kit Harington, making me unable to imagine a Jon Snow who doesn't have the expression of a confused puppy at all times.

edited 20th May '15 9:38:29 PM by ElkhornTheDowntrodden

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37054: May 20th 2015 at 10:35:04 PM

[up][up] What?

GRRM actually uses those images for his chapters. The same artists also depict the perfect Tywin Lannister.

[up] I only imagine the TV show characters on certain people like Osha.

Jon Snow is not one of them. Mostly because it's pointed out by Tormund that Jon Snow doesn't have facial hair, Bran points out he has brown hair and gray eyes, his hair is straight and the official artwork I've seen makes him look more like a young Christian Bale.

Also I've pointed this out before but the official artwork makes Jon Snow look a lot like a longer faced, dark-haired Aegon the Conqueror.

edited 20th May '15 10:39:42 PM by MadSkillz

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world Since: Jul, 2009
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#37055: May 21st 2015 at 5:07:10 AM

Because of the show I actually associate Tywin with Charles Dance.

That and a bald guy with sideburns isn't really intimidating to me.

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#37056: May 21st 2015 at 5:19:53 AM

Same to an extent, though for me he's more of a young Christopher Lee.

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ElkhornTheDowntrodden Since: Apr, 2015
#37057: May 21st 2015 at 6:34:47 AM

I don't imagine the actual Kit Harington, just someone who always has the same gormless expression.

edited 21st May '15 6:35:25 AM by ElkhornTheDowntrodden

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#37058: May 21st 2015 at 1:45:38 PM

Kit Harrington, at least looks-wise, was not the right choice for Jon Snow.

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#37059: May 21st 2015 at 2:04:45 PM

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I agree. That vacuous look he has on his face, combined with his hair, makes him pretty hard to take seriously.

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#37060: May 21st 2015 at 3:49:05 PM

Charles Dance doesn't really fit GRRM's description of Tywin. I pictured Tywin as both taller and broader than Dance, with more of a Heroic Build. Also I imagined him to be more scowelly, rather than Dance's perpetually annoyed look.

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world Since: Jul, 2009
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#37061: May 21st 2015 at 3:58:02 PM

Charles Dance does pull off the "old, experienced lord" well, though.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#37062: May 21st 2015 at 5:23:41 PM

He's definitely "warmer" than the Twyin of the books. Oddly, someone who I think looks a lot more like book!Tywin (and is a total asshole to boot) is King George from Once Upon a Time.

I actually really like Kit's take on Jon. I like his emphasis on the "gloomy Northman" part of the character. If I was going to cast someone who looks more like the book art, I guess I'd go for Joe Dempsie or Bradley James (with dyed hair in both cases).

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37063: May 21st 2015 at 6:07:13 PM

Bradley James is too old to play a 17-19 year old. Honestly make him grow his beard out, dye his head and facial hair auburn and you have the perfect Edmure instead.

Joe Dempsie is too much the perfect Gendry to look like Jon Snow. He just needs to look more irritated like Stannis.

Also I maintain that Renly should've been played by Tom Welling. He'd make a great young Robert Baratheon as well.

Ben Barnes, I think, looks like the perfect Jon Snow as well as the perfect Theon Greyjoy.

edited 21st May '15 6:09:46 PM by MadSkillz

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#37064: May 21st 2015 at 8:30:01 PM

Eh, not so sure with Theon. He's too pretty-boy to be Theon.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37065: May 21st 2015 at 8:56:22 PM

But Theon is supposed to be a pretty boy. : V

Theon is a lean, dark, handsome youth.

Please. I used to watch you in the yard, playing with your swords. You were so handsome.

Some official art of Theon.

But again Theon Greyjoy and Jon Snow look awfully alike in a lot of art I see of them.

wild mass guessJon Snow's mother was Lyanna Stark and his father was Euron/Victarion/Balon/Aeron.wild mass guess

edited 21st May '15 8:58:57 PM by MadSkillz

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#37066: May 21st 2015 at 9:14:41 PM

That picture of Theon makes him look a lot older than I imagined.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37067: May 23rd 2015 at 11:43:43 AM

Doing some research on the ironborn and I just found out one of Balon's many titles is "The Greyjoy". lol

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37068: May 23rd 2015 at 8:45:37 PM

Just found this.

Their masks gleamed in the sun: boars and bulls, hawks and herons, lions and tigers and bears, fork-tongued serpents and hideous basilisks.

Daenerys is Dorothy.

… I know she is proud. How not? What else was left her but pride? I know she is strong. How not? The Dothraki despise weakness. If Daenerys had been weak, she would have perished with Viserys. I know she is fierce. Astapor, Yunkai, and Meereen are proof enough of that. She has crossed the grasslands and the red waste, survived assassins and conspiracies and fell sorceries, grieved for a brother and a husband and a son, trod the cities of the slavers to dust beneath her dainty sandaled feet.[[quoteblock]]

Conan's first story:

[[quoteblock]] Know, O prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars…. Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandaled feet.

Daenerys is Conan, I suppose.

Although several variations exist, the basic story tells of a beautiful woman by the name of Maria who drowns her children in order to be with the man that she loved. The man would not have her, which devastated her. She would not take no for an answer, so she drowned herself in a river in Mexico City. Challenged at the gates of Heaven as to the whereabouts of her children, she is not permitted to enter the afterlife until she has found them. Maria is forced to wander the Earth for all eternity, searching in vain for her drowned offspring, with her constant weeping giving her the name "La Llorona." She is trapped in between the living world and the spirit world. [...]

In some versions of this tale and legend, La Llorona will kidnap wandering children who resemble her missing children, or children who disobey their parents. People who claim to have seen her say she appears at night or in the late evenings from rivers or lakes in Mexico. Some believe that those who hear the wails of La Llorona are marked for death, similar to the Gaelic banshee legend [according to whom?]. She is said to cry, "ay mis hijos!" "oh my children!"

oh God, LS would creep me the fuck out if she was based on La Llorona.

edited 23rd May '15 9:02:26 PM by MadSkillz

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#37069: May 24th 2015 at 8:02:48 AM

oh God, LS would creeps me the fuck out


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#37070: May 24th 2015 at 10:24:13 AM

Good thing she's dead, then.

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MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37071: May 25th 2015 at 3:00:47 AM

Huh. Just thought of something.

The Lord of Light cherishes the innocent. There is no sacrifice more precious. From his king’s blood and his untainted fire, a dragon shall be born. =(Melisandre, “Davos V” A Storm of Swords)

If the dragon is taken to be non-literal then Jon Snow will be resurrected using Shireen.

But also I wanna talk about Theon and Stannis. Theon's new chapter has the ravens nudging Stannis into sacrificing Theon to the Old Gods by beheading him in front of the heart tree. As we know there's definitely something magical going on with the blood sacrifices to the heart trees.

So if Jon Snow is Ice and Fire then perhaps he'll need both Theon and Shireen to resurrect him back to life as AA.

Although I still hold onto my personal theory that LS will resurrect Jon Snow. Or at the least crown him.

edited 25th May '15 3:04:37 AM by MadSkillz

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#37072: May 25th 2015 at 11:45:50 AM

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Wasn't the implication that Bran was making the ravens say that? I think there are a few moments in ADWD that are implied to have Bran spectating.

edited 25th May '15 4:20:59 PM by Millardkillmoore

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#37073: May 25th 2015 at 11:52:43 AM

Yeah and Bran has an investment in Jon Snow. And I do believe that Bloodraven has an investment in Jon Snow too as he calls him the king through Mormont's Raven.

Remember Bloodraven is an actual Targ loyalist and is also one of the guys that can see the future through the weirdwood.

You also have to factor in that Shireen says she dreamed a dragon was coming to eat her.

wild mass guessJon Snow will be resurrected as a soul fusion of Theon, Shireen, Ghost and Jon Snowwild mass guess

[up] I think it's implied in the beginning of Mercy I that Bran is watching Arya in her dreams as well.

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#37074: May 25th 2015 at 3:32:25 PM

But what if Theon pulls a Heroic Sacrifice? He's technically the son of a king.

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