The Ace Attorney Series

The fifth case is great, but the DLC case is probably the best one. It annoyed the heck out of me to see Blackquill back in chains, though, and the Phantom still pretending to be Fulbright, even if it does make sense chronologically.

Finished Turnabout Corner with relatively no difficulties. But I guess it was because it officially introduced Apollo's perception gimmick. Gotta admit, it's...not quite as engaging as those Psycholocks. I mean, Psyche-Locks! And the culprit fought with all of their might, but knew when to fold 'em when it became increasingly difficult to hold the line.

Now rocking through Turnabout Serenade. Seriously, Klavier's the least antagonistic of the prosecutors I've seen. Of course, there's that business with Nick seven years ago, so maybe his true colours have yet to appear...

Methinks Trucy has watched too much TV.

Note: An Ema in a foul mood is an Ema you don't want to see—

*ka-tonk*

ACK! She just Snackoo'd me!!

The villain of 4-2 is kind of a discount Dahlia Hawthorne.

Pretty much, though she targets someone as rotten as she is.

Welp, I've added every character in Dai Gyakuten Saiban in the pages.

@Hobgoblin: I think it's best to play Turnabout Reclaimed as case 3 rather than 6, not just because of the chronological order of the case, but also because it has that 'case 3 feel', you know?

And yes, Reclaimed is amazing. Funnily enough, my favorite cases in DD are Reclaimed and Academy, and they both fill the case 3 role well.

edited 23rd Aug '15 6:08:05 AM by BeholdTheTheremin

Certainly, both are better than most Case 3's.

Although I think the whole thing with Robin borders on bad taste. But that's probably a discussion for elsewhere...

robin borders? oh misread that.

also tbh i think the only bad case for dual destinies is the 2nd one.

edited 23rd Aug '15 11:52:05 AM by Tarsen

Since the series is meant to be satirical it was probably meant to hyperexaggerate gender roles, similar to the way they hyperexagerate how much leeway the proesecution gets.

Case 2 dragged for a while, but it gave Apollo a chance to shine and I liked that.

actually, my precise reason to disliking 2 is that it was horrible to apollo imo

at the very least, the first day in court was awful. he was being written as far dumber than usual, constantly walking into simons traps and generally being incompetant in a way that wasnt funny so much as irritating

There's something I don't get about Robin. At one point, she makes an offhand comment that she was raised to be a boy, or something to that effect. So... is she a transwoman? Was she assigned male at birth? And if not, then why go through the trouble of disguising yourself as a boy in the first place?

edited 23rd Aug '15 4:02:50 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

im pretty sure how you're raised does not affect your gender identity, so i doubt the idea that shes trans, especially since she doesnt seem to have any particular dislike of being considered female.

the "raised as a boy" thing is a plot point that pops up occasionally in japanese media, but usually its due to a family tradition necessitating it in some way. i cant actually remember robins stated reason for the secrecy.

edited 23rd Aug '15 4:13:04 PM by Tarsen

Parents, like you said. And yeah, it's mostly a drama trope that became a comedy trope.

Robin's a girl, biologically and everything else. Her parents just forced her to go Sweet Polly Oliver for whatever reason. Something about law not being a career for women, or whatever.

Kinda funny that they pulled the exact same stunt in PL vs. AA, albeit for different reasons.

edited 23rd Aug '15 7:00:03 PM by Anomalocaris20

There's a lot of the lot parallels between PL vs PW and DD actually. Darklaw and Aura Blackquill for example.

I actually like Monstrous, though mainly because I thought the mystery was quite convoluted yet pretty solid, I liked the youkai setting, and it has one of my favorite turnabout moments in the form of Damian Tenma being The Great Nine-Tails, rather than Rex Kyubi, which is up there with Turnabout Samurai's turnabout moment of the crime happening in the old studio.

That said, Florent L'belle's plan wins the Ace Attorney Villain award for 'Most Epic Fail Plot'.

At least I'm pretty sure L'Belle was supposed to be a moron at least. He was certainly a horrible businessman.

One thing I thought was kind of annoying about The Monstrous Turnabout was Mayor Tenma giving half of his testimony as Tenma Taro. Yeah, it was kind of funny at first, but it got really confusing when you couldn't tell when he was speaking for himself and when he was speaking for the monster.

edited 24th Aug '15 7:13:58 PM by TyeDyeWildebeest

It certainly was a good twist, I'll give it that.

edited 24th Aug '15 9:20:00 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Early Days of Ace Attorney.

I wonder how much Gyakuten Saiban would have sold if it were called 'Naruhodo-kun's Screaming Trials', or 'Bingo Bengo', or 'Objections in Your Eyes', or 'Boogie-Woogie Innocence'.

But anyway, most of the post is about the scrapped version of 'Turnabout Sisters', back when it was Episode 1 of 'Surviban: Attorney Detective Naruhodo-kun'^{Translation note} Surviban is a portmanteau of 'survival' and 'saiban', meaning court.

In the original Sisters, Phoenix was not a rookie defense attorney, but rather a private eye.

Private eye Phoenix Wright wakes up one night to find the dead body of his client, defense attorney Mia Fey, in his office, and is arrested on the spot. When his defense attorney proves to be incompetent, he decides to take his own defense!

Some scenes in the case include Phoenix meeting an apprehensive Maya in the courthouse break room, and Phoenix's defense attorney reacting in confusion to having a channeled Mia Fey in the defense bench.

They definitely made a good call changing Pheonix from an detective to an attorney. Especially because the first case involving the courtroom so heavily would have been confusing if it was supposed to be a detective game. I find it interesting that these designs◊ predated the focus shift, so it's hard to even guess what these characters were supposed to be.

I'm guessing that, after Surviban's version of Sisters, Phoenix would have somehow ended up as a part-defense attorney, probably through a stipulation in Mia's will or something.

I would have then asked 'why make him a private eye, then?', then I realized that's how the entire investigation thing would have been justified. Still, Phoenix in GS is still doing investigation things, so...

Anyway, is it just me, or does 'Surviban' - 'Survival Court', that is - fit something like Danganronpa more than Ace Attorney? Heck, Janet Hsu even points out that the title sounds like 'Battle Royale in court'! Bizzarely enough, the name probably came around 2000 or something, roughly 10 years before Danganronpa was even released!

edited 24th Aug '15 10:49:56 PM by BeholdTheTheremin

I'm pretty sure that being a defense attorney doesn't work that way, even in Japan. Also lawyers are allowed to investigate too.

edited 24th Aug '15 11:01:08 PM by RhymeBeat

Yeah, I know. Still, considering 'court' was in the title on that version, PI Nick would have ended up in the defense bench somehow.

So yeah, I agree that making him a defense attorney was a good idea.

Now I'm imagining a Phoenix Wright, Danganronpa, Zero Escape crossover.