Bleach

Yeah, they pointed that out, I think it made it worse, actually. Either way, it's just a hole, it's not the entire uterus.

edited 18th Sep '14 3:26:54 PM by KBSL

...what's FKT mean, again?

Fake Karakura Town

edited 18th Sep '14 4:08:27 PM by MikeBreezy92

Fake Karakura Town, actually.

W's power reminds me of Midnight from Fairy Tail.

Okay, so we got W this chapter. That just leaves us with C,M,N, and X. Shaz was likely X and OMQ is likely M, so we just have C and N. Some people have theorized that N is "The Negation" and their ability would be a Power Nullifier. I could definitely see Yhwach bringing along someone like that to the Royal Realm. Some people have thought C could be "The Cold", perhaps someone who basically has both Hitsugaya and Rukia's powerset.

Overall the Sternritter have been a disappointment, but the few that are still cool are really cool.

As far as any more deaths for the good guys this arc..

I see most of the good guys surviving, I could really only see maybe Ukitake and Mayuri dying. I think Hitsugaya will recover as I doubt Kubo has it in him to really kill him off.

edited 18th Sep '14 10:19:07 PM by Galeros

Aizen choosing not to kill many people is not at all interesting. In light of Yhwach's near-perfect track record, it makes Aizen stupid for leaving so many of his enemies alive.

Duuuude.... Troy Baker, Crispin Freeman as the English voice for Yhwach? That would be great.

edited 19th Sep '14 12:03:25 AM by Serocco

They would most likely use the same person who voiced Zangetsu.

Why does that make Aizen stupid? They didn't come back and beat him, meaning it was a perfectly valid strategy.

You fight to kill. Not to spare your opponents and allow one (the father of the main character) to train The Hero into obtaining a Dues ex Machina.

edited 19th Sep '14 12:10:31 AM by Serocco

Except A. we don't know why he left them alive, meaning he may have had further use for them B. their continued survival had no impact at all on his defeat C. fighting Ichigo was an important part of his plan and D. he never faced Isshin directly twenty years ago, meaning hunting him down would have drawn more attention to himself. Even apart from the fact that Ichigo became an experiment of Aizen's once he learned of his existence.

edited 19th Sep '14 12:13:00 AM by Arha

He flat-out said he wanted to see his enemies quiver in pain at having to watch him win.

Aizen is a lying liar who lies. Do remember that he tried to kill Yamamoto, who he should want to see suffer more than anyone. Presumably, he wanted to rule over them or something once he became a god or whatever the hell it was he wanted. Or maybe he thought their job was necessary and wanted them to continue to do it. Who knows? Either way, an enemy who has no ability to oppose you can be disposed of at any time, but bringing a dead enemy back to life is generally not considered as easy.

But all that aside, it can be boiled down to two points. One, Yhwach actually gains strength and possibly magic abilities whenever his enemies or even allies are killed. Two, Aizen gains absolutely nothing from the death of his enemies, nor is he harmed by their continued survival. His decision to spare the captains would only have been foolish if that decision led to his defeat. It didn't.

edited 19th Sep '14 12:31:37 AM by Arha

That decision led to his defeat. He should have killed Isshin at Deicide. Instead, Isshin trained Ichigo to obtain Mugetsu. A Mugetsu that was connected to a Zanpakuto. A Zanpakuto that was derived from the Hollow he originally used as an experiment and set against Isshin. Whooooops.

edited 19th Sep '14 12:48:41 AM by Serocco

It means we have no idea why he spared them because Aizen's motives are rarely directly explained. His future plans presumably worked better if they were alive or were not negatively affected by their continued survival.

Yes, not killing Isshin during Deicide led to his defeat. However, from the beginning his plans involved letting Ichigo get some form of powerup along those lines so that he would gain strength from the magic shinyball. Does the line "I'm disappointed that this is all you accomplished" sound familiar? The breakdown of his plan was the result of incorrectly guessing the rate of growth Ichigo would achieve at that point, not that he allowed Ichigo to undergo that training at all. Presumably, without some kind of step like this in the plan the Royal Guard would have just murdered him when he tried invading.

Besides, Yhwach also spared Ichigo because he thought he could make use of him. How do you think that's going to end?

edited 19th Sep '14 12:52:54 AM by Arha

With Yhwach losing, although his case is more understandable because his Hour of Power kicked in. He's also not focusing on Ichigo right now, and took advantage of his being trained by Squad Zero so he could get to the palace.

Aizen is too convoluted, too enigmatic, and ultimately, too ineffectual for me to consider him as anything other than a failure.

He specifically avoided killing Ichigo because he planned to capture him. He failed. By your logic this means he's an idiot. Probably moreso than Aizen because he actually has no real reason for keeping Ichigo alive at all (so far as we know) despite viewing him as a genuine threat to his plans.

And yes, Aizen failed. I agree completely. That doesn't mean that he's stupid, it means that he failed to properly account for unknown variables occurring in the final stages of his plan. Variables he had no real way of controlling at all because by necessity the plan needed to be capable of failing or he wouldn't feel the terror and desire for growth that he need for the magic eight ball to respond properly. He gambled and lost. Yhwach gambled and will lose, but the only difference there is that he didn't need to gamble at all.

By the way, no, I don't think Aizen is a better villain in any sense. Even if his plan didn't have the flaws you claim it has, that doesn't mean it was actually interesting or even comprehensible.

edited 19th Sep '14 1:07:52 AM by Arha

And I will be consistent - Yhwach should've killed Ichigo, because we all know he'll lose to The Hero somewhere along the line.

The problem I have is that Aizen's motives - if he had any - are so shrouded in mystery that I feel it's not gonna be worth it to see his reason for all of this, and given that Yhwach has taken center stage, I feel Aizen's motives will try to humanize him more, which should not happen.

edited 19th Sep '14 1:51:34 AM by Serocco

That's a different argument entirely and one I don't feel like arguing about.

edited 19th Sep '14 2:05:29 AM by Arha

I just got a call from some stupid opinion poll thing. Anyway, the girl on the other side. Her name was Giselle. Seriously.

It appears Gisellemania has reached Stage 4.

The end is nigh.

lookth like W hath a thpeech impediment in the mangathtream verthion.

edited 19th Sep '14 5:02:22 AM by alekos23

I could see that being in the raw, it'd be weird if he didn't, actually.

edited 19th Sep '14 5:33:34 AM by KBSL

all he's missing is a hunchback and stitched.then he'd be Bach's Igor!

I feel Serocco is correct in that Aizen's master plan is so enigmatic that at this point we can't see enough pieces of the puzzle to gather any logic.

Aizen being a lying liar that lies and all, we have no idea which parts of his exposition are true and which are not. When he attacked Ichigo the first time, he stated that his intent was to completely bifurcate him, which may or may not have led to his death, despite the fact that Ichigo was supposedly necessary for his plan. Further, he claims the Espada were completely "worthless" to his plan, despite the fact that 67% of them were decoys by his own admission (designed specifically to trap as many Captains in HM as possible).

Even his promotion system makes no sense: Luppi was given the #6 spot the moment Grimmjow was demoted, which means that technically he should have been #7 to begin with. Kubo claims that the Espada are ranked by reiatsu, but that doesn't explain Wonderweiss, who has reiatsu on the same scale but isn't an Espada. We have to guess (because the story doesn't tell us this) that Aizen held him back either because of his intelligence or because of his importance to the plot. That would make sense, but again, this just another thing we have to guess in a plot that already has a billion things that aren't explained.