Sexism In Anime

Really? And the entire tantrum about the ending was entirely justified? Kayo is simply not a trophy to be won by Satoru. There was no romantic undertone about the plot. Kayo doesn't owe Satoru anything, nor should she. Or that Satoru ever wanted anything from Kayo in return. The expectation that Kayo owe Satoru sex because Satoru saved her is problematic. It is all too similar to the "Nice Guy" phenomenon.

If she's going to be attacked often, as well as the MC's girlfriend, she's probably not going to be a background character.

Are we talking about Hinazuki not ending up with Satoru? Because it was obvious, Airi is best girl.

I'm surprised that no one that has any apparent problems with the idea of a 29-year old man entering in a relationship with a 17-year old girl who's still in high-school.

Satoru has an issue with it. And he only meets her again when he is 33 and she's 21. And the point of the ending it's that it's a Maybe Ever After.

edited 2nd May '16 9:13:30 PM by vandro

-shrugs- I never watched the anime, nor have any plan to, so I couldn't care the less about any of that. I'm just amused how you are using reactions to one anime to brand the entire anime community.

What bugged me was that complaints about to ending to Erased were brought up without describing either the complaints or the ending. For people who have been following neither the show nor the discussions about it, we don't know what you're talking about beyond "there is a thing that makes me angry."

The problem a part of fandom had was that the girl he saved in eementary school fell in love with and married someone else while the protagonist was in a 15 year coma. There was talk of NTR and that she was a slut among other unpleasantness.

Wait, were there people arguing a girl should hold on for 15 years waiting for a guy to come out of a coma, probably wasting her life in vain, just because Muh Shared Childhood? And when she tries to go on with her life she's called insulting names? Geez, what is this I don't even. Has 4-Chan infected the whole Internet at this point?

Also, by now the NTR term has been so deformed it's completely lost any dubious descriptive value it ever had.

edited 3rd May '16 6:30:34 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

4chan isn't an infection so much as a glimpse of what (some) people are really like. Semi-anonymousness on the rest of the internet does the same thing, to a lesser degree.

Its kinda funny on a pretty black humor level.

@dRoy: unfortunately, ERASED was 1) most popular show last season for better or worse and 2) the Nice Guyism dominated almost every discussion about the show, even across language borders. What I meant to say is, since ERASED was a Noitamina show, it goes to show that even the "progressive" seinen audience is still pretty misogynist and not much better than the shonen crowd.

My old humanities teacher mentioned a similar thing, I know romance is a thing but we need to be realistic.

edited 3rd May '16 8:54:02 PM by GAP

I have never been under the impression that the seinen audience is less sexist or more progressive than the shounen one. Some seinen works might be, but that doesn't say much about the people consuming them.

Huh ok so what if she actually did wait patiently for him for 15 years like "good girl", how would the audience react then does anyone think?

They wouldn't have cared because thats expected.

I'm not gonna talk about ERASED since I have not seen it and don't plan to, but since this came up, can I just say that I find the whole "childhood friend love interest" thing kind of silly.

I mean, this is just my personal experience, but I don't know anyone from when I was a little kid anymore and a lot of my "friendships" from that time weren't exactly super meaningful. People drift apart all the time IRL, you aren't necessarily gonna still be friends with someone you knew back in pre-school as an adult or even as a middle or high school student, much less have them still be someone important to you if you somehow run into them again years later.

edited 3rd May '16 8:58:20 PM by wehrmacht

I find the argument that she owed him romance to cheaper both their character arcs, he saved her at first because he wanted to prevent his calamitous present, but as the show goes on you realize he is trying to save her out of genuine appreciation for her friendship, reading it as if she was a Damsel in Distress, makes the story far more monotonous and boring. The fact she grew up at all, that she could enjoy living a family life with a husband and child, is its own reward, his 15 year coma is offset by all the lives that became possible thanks to his actions.

I'm a nice dude, with some nice dreams. See these ice cubes, see these ice creams? Eligible bachelor, million dollar boat, that's whiter than what's spilling down your throat. The Phantom, exterior like fish eggs, the interior like suicide wrist red. I can excercise you, this can be your Phys Ed. Cheat on your man ma, that's how you get ahizzead!

edited 4th May '16 7:52:30 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

The childhood friend love interest phenomenon is a lot more common in small countries like Japan and South Korea, where families don't move very often, most locations are only a few bus/train rides away, and the school system ensures that you're most likely gonna be with the same classmates from elementary all the way to high school.

I don't think I have ever seen anyone use the term NTR unironically outside of 4chan.

I have, in image tags on other sites.

NTR? You mean "cuckold"? It's an insult from another age.

NTR?

NTR is an abbreviation of Netorare, which comes from the verb Netoru, which means to have your lover taken by someone else (to be cheated on, basically). It's popped up in the last decade or so as something otaku shout when their waifu gets into a relationship, although it's also a specific fetish.

In this case, they're complaining that a girl who had befriended the main character grew up to marry someone else, and therefore "cheated" on him.

edited 4th May '16 1:30:18 AM by Clarste