Sexism In Anime

That trope tends to be played up more in Western animation though, rarely in anime.

Always unlikeable.

Unless you count shoujo in which it is a frequent trope of that demographic.

edited 28th Apr '16 5:27:09 PM by diyedas

Which one? I see both of them often enough in anime.

edited 28th Apr '16 5:26:17 PM by AnotherDuck

Unless I don't watch enough anime, I haven't seen it commonly.

The Bastard Boyfriend one.

edited 28th Apr '16 5:37:22 PM by randomness4

What demographic of anime do you watch? It's less likely to show up in male-aimed works, for obvious reasons.

Whatever I do watch isn't limited to one demographic, I just don't see that used.

Its used mostly in female-targeted works like the otome genre.

Exhibit A: Diabolick Lovers.

Weighing the scale, guesses that Randomness watches less Female oriented Anime.

@randomness4. Well you're not likely to see the trope much in anime because shoujo manga series don't usually get anime adaptations. Usually for good reason cuz a lot of them are crap.

Why is the same quality never put into products aimed at girls as guys regardless of the product or the originationg point....

._.;

-Looks at games and clothes as well-

I rarely hear about shoujo series really breaking it into the mainstream and having critical acclaim these days.

Josei manga is also by far the most obscure demographic in terms of popularity. The only two series I can think of that are remotely popular are Kids on the Slope (which is dope) and Polar Bear Cafe. There's actually a josei Ghibli movie called Only Yesterday which I don't see that many people talking about either but it's generally considered to be good. I also found a great manga called Gunjo which is a yuri manga written by an actual lesbian, but that about covers it.

Shonen getting more attention than shoujo isn't because of any meaningful difference in quality, as the usual seasonal tide of bottom-of-the-barrel anime dreck will attest. It has considerably more to do with the Japanese entertainment industry being very male-run, which means art-forms with higher cost/time/resource barriers to entry (like TV shows) will cater towards dudes far more than stuff you can just scribble on paper and self-publish.

Well its true that the bottom of the barrel dreck appplies across, the peaks tend not to go nearly as high.

Not really. Shoujo has a lot more shows than people give it credit for, those just happen to be Fujoshi shows though in the same way Otaku have their Moe shows.

If I had to give my own opinion on this, I'd say what genres are common in each demographic affect things. From what I've seen, I'd say that genres like action, drama/suspense, and horror are liked about equally among both genders. So while shounen and shoujo use different character and plot tropes for those (ex. a typical shounen battle manga vs magical girls), those sorts of things tend to attract more readers/viewers outside the target demographic.

Romance on the other hand tends to only really attract the target demographic, and I'd say part of that is how linked romance is to sex. Like an average to bad shounen romance manga will tend to have some generic, everyman protagonist for boys to insert as, and the love interest(s) tend to be viewed in the story as from the man's perspective, like there might be fan-service, or it's a harem where each girl is an archetype. An average to bad shoujo romance manga will have a generic female protagonist for girls to insert as, and the love interest(s) will be viewed from the woman's perspective, having fanservice, being an archetypical character and such. Or it will be a yaoi manga, which has it's own tropes and goals that mean straight men wouldn't be interested, and even gay men might not like it.

Obviously, this can be overcome if it's a really good manga/anime, with good writing and characters. But I'd say if that's not the case, it tends to alienate those outside the target demographic in ways an average to bad action or suspense or such manga/anime wouldn't. And romance is more common in shoujo manga than in shounen manga, or at least it seems. Ask someone to think of a generic bottom-of-the-barrel manga, if shounen they'd tend to imagine an action manga, and shoujo it'd be a romance manga.

There's the highly rated Chibi Maruko Chan, an older shojo series.

Unfortunately, it says a lot about shoujo manga and anime' declining popularity when many shoujo anime only get one or two seasons, and Shoujo Beat - the Spear Counterpart of Shounen Jump - got discontinued a few years ago.

From my trawls on the Internet, I've discovered that the Fujoshi demographic mainly cling onto shounen series with lots of pretty boys in it, and you'll have to look a little deeper in order to find blogs and such on popular shoujo series like Fruits Basket and Ouran High School Host Club.

edited 29th Apr '16 4:43:48 AM by IchigoPockyChama

Yaoi and Yuri share a lot, the most popular stuff tends to be subtext only stuff that gets blown up via Doujin. The more explicit stuff rarely makes it to air or does not sell like Sakura Trick.

The line between demographics like Shojo stuff like Aikatsu and Seinen stuff like Love Live is extremely blurry, even mainstream places like the Japanese Disney Channel aired K On. And the same can be said for Josei, Shonen and the rare Shojo like Code Geass.

Writers know full well that they have those kinds of demographics too, that kissing joke early in Naruto for example was very much aimed at the Fujoshi.

Anyway there are almost triple the amount of Fujoshi pandering shows per year now than there were a couple of years ago. Some seasons it outstrips the all girl Moe shows like last season, this season is tied I think.

edited 29th Apr '16 5:23:16 AM by Memers

Almost all anime only get one or two seasons these days. The industry has changed. The long running shonen model isn't much of a thing anymore.

I think there are more continuous Shojo shows running right now than Shonen actually, by quite a few.

And budget wise for example Pretty Cure is getting the money and best animators Toei has while Dragon Ball Super is getting its worst.

edited 29th Apr '16 5:21:37 AM by Memers

Ah, okay.

Sakura Trick's problem was that it just wasn't very good.

Pretty Cure is also one of those works that manages to reach out to a wider audience than just one demographic.

yeah, the bloggers I see raving about the latest Pretty Cure series are all blokes.

magical girls series have a history of appealing to the seinen audience for some reason. Stuff like Madoka is just a logical conclusion of that and writing to them directly.