During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Either the first because of his Dissonant Serenity, or the second because of his Nightmare Face.
Lizzid people!
For me, I think the first suggestion would suffice.
No I'm afraid for the moment I can't edit anything. I'm working to get this fixed, but it will take some time I'm afraid.
That's not the Keamy image I suggested, ACW. I suggested this one
, which is much larger and clearer.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
The one you suggested shows up small on my monitor, but here's one
◊ showing the actual shooting.
I still prefer the one I suggested because of Keamy's smile. Does this link work for you?
◊
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I got one that merges the 2
◊. Courtesy of http://old.photojoiner.net/.
edited 14th Feb '16 10:29:55 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I'm also going to reserve Cinder Fall's Effortpost if nobody minds
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Uh, yeah, sure. BTW, Gravity Falls finale is tomorrow I believe, so effortpost is a week from tomorrow.
How is Deadpool? Worth seeing?
Deadpool was great
Lost in Space
Deadpool is worth seeing, absolutely. Obviously, we need to wait out the two weeks to nominate anyone, but I doubt there will be any CM candidates.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Well, let's just say I heartily disagree there, but that'll be a discussion for two weeks.
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Think I'll see Deadpool next weekend. Want to see it tomorrow, but it's SO. COLD. OUT. Single-digit wind-chill; Mother Nature as a CM? 
(Not joking about it being frigid though).
Unpopular opinion: I found Deadpool average. The jokes were pretty much hit or miss. (I don't think there's a CM thought)
edited 14th Feb '16 12:30:30 PM by Silverblade2
Lizzid people!
I thought Deadpool was pretty good, honestly.
edited 14th Feb '16 12:30:43 PM by AustinDR
I just saw it. Just so we're clear, discussion will be open on the 26th, right?
Also, I might have a proposal from an older movie in the next few days.
26th, yet. I'll propose both Francis and Cinder Fall then in full
What about Momoshiki? Didn't you say you was going to propose him about two or three months ago?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Momoshiki's on his to-do list, along with...several others.
I mean, I could, but the film hasn't gotten a full wide DVD release in America yet
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It has it released December 13th in the states, so, you know, either way I guess?
edited 14th Feb '16 1:25:48 PM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I don't have Fire Fox, I have Google Chrome, which doesn't have a word count as far as I can tell.
"Sam Manson is a terrible character."
Google Chrome had word counting for this site before the update. It isn't back yet.
Wild Child
One thing on the Vandal Savage image... Manta may have an edge on the whole baby thing, but Vandal technically has a higher victim count shown in the image.
Why so serious?
edited 14th Feb '16 5:44:09 AM by AustinDR