During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Professor Gigachad
That looks correct to me.
Actually nevermind Origins is not a novelization its a prequel novel based on the first film.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 7th 2022 at 10:21:01 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Goku Black
Use novels instead? Rather than novelisations.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Origins is a brand new thing. Can we do writeups now?
I thought my Colm O’Driscoll quote was approved? I don’t see it in the new CM quote batch.
There were at least 7 upvotes from when I last saw at Page 13021.
Edited by HighfalutinQuelea on Oct 7th 2022 at 10:40:46 AM
Professor Gigachad
ACW still hasn't added the writeups, my offer of assistance is still available.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
I handled that, apologies.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 7th 2022 at 10:32:16 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Ordeaux, with the issues you've had lately of how you speak to and about people, that was very poor as a choice.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
The Drafts are locked (people, once you make edits please make sure to save so it doesn't stay locked); gimme an hour or two.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Professor Gigachad
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Also High, when the quote is approved you need to place it in Monster Quotes.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
ALSO also, please use the character's full name in the quote.
EDIT: Okay, this could take longer than I thought. Apparently I've been suspended, and have no idea why. So, um...yeah.
Edited by ACW on Oct 7th 2022 at 2:13:49 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
RIP Toriyama
Take your time there, bud. It's hopefully just a mistake, and the Drafts can wait and no one is gonna rush or push for them to be moved faster right now, the thread can slow down for a bit.
Tonight I dine on monkey soup.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Like, I don't even mind the time, I just wanna know WTF I've been suspended for (I've already posted at the appropriate thread, so now it's just a matter of time).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Let's let ACW get himself sorted there and relax on the pushing for processing. I can imagine this would be a stressful surprise so let's please be patient for our friend!
Hopefully this is all just a mix up and it'll be solved ASAP
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
So weird.
What I'm doing now is you know how if you click more there's a to-do that only you see? I'm making the changes to the tropes in there. Worst comes to worst, I can post those here and someone else can do the YMMV and sandboxes, depending.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Not the Eye
I’m sure it’s nothing serious ACW
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Hopefully it gets sorted out quickly ACW.
So are we also putting a hold on E Ps as well while the situation plays out?
A million brain cells? That seems excessively destructive...
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Eh...I'll leave that up to you. (Though my personal preference is yes FWIW.)
Edited by ACW on Oct 7th 2022 at 3:24:48 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Goku Black
Uh I think a pause is a good idea. At least till we know what's up (huh. I checked Ask The Tropers and couldn't find a case for this. So I dunno what's going on ) . We're already at like 25 or so pending. Adding more is a bad idea.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Professor Gigachad
As I said I am willing to help with the drafts page if needed. But if you guys want to wait that is fine.
This is so weird though I have no idea what you could have been suspended for.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 7th 2022 at 12:55:08 PM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Can you please not? Right now, we're trying to figure out what led to this, using it as a chance to promote yourself is not welcome.
Professor Gigachad
I was not trying to promote myself, I was just offering help. Can you please not accuse me of that.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Oct 7th 2022 at 4:18:54 AM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
So when Vlad gets written up, the tree will look like this?
- Fright Night (1985) novelizations:
- The Novelization, by John Skipp and Craig Spector, based partly on the original script: Jerry Dandridge lacks his movie counterpart's saving graces. A sadistic vampire who makes a point to "savor each death", Jerry marks his arrival in town by feeding on, murdering, and mutilating three victims, attempting to kill Charley for discovering that he's a vampire. Hunting down Charley and his friends and turning "Evil" Ed with the false promise that he would be granted the power to stand up against his bullies, Dandridge kills two bouncers for getting in his way; rapes and turns Amy; and locks Charley in a room with the latter, giving him the choice to either kill her or be turned by her. After Charley's escape and the death of Dandridge's servant, Dandridge makes one last-ditch effort to finish off Charley and Peter before sunrise.
- Origins, by Tom Holland & A. Jack Ulrich: Vlad
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts