Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.
This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
No cams on for anything all at once is rather unusual even somewhat suspicious.
Who watches the watchmen?
Remember: When the time comes, you will not rise to the occasion, but rather you will descend to the level of your training.
edited 17th Jul '17 4:21:07 PM by AFP
One Winged Egret
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Depends on department policies. Maybe that was mentioned but I didn't see it.
edited 17th Jul '17 4:27:58 PM by Clarste
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Clarste: I would doubt it. The point of body cams is to record police interactions for both transparency and clarity. The dash cams might be another story as some of them are wired to the light and siren system.
AFP: True especially if anything trips the adrenaline switch the brain tends to flip over to auto-pilot.
Who watches the watchmen?
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Found this article on that event from an Australian site.
Has a good chunk of detail to it.
edited 17th Jul '17 11:39:49 PM by TuefelHundenIV
Who watches the watchmen?
Meanwhile, in Finland: Finland's Border Guard to get extra powers to fight 'little green men'
The measures are intended to improve the Border Guard's defense capabilities against serious incidents at the border such as hostage situations or IT systems failure.
The Border Guard's legal chief of staff Ari-Pekka Koivisto says that the Crimean crisis involving "little green men" or unmarked foreign combatants was also a wake-up call for the organisation monitoring Finland's frontiers.
Border guards would essentially hold down the fort until the police arrive, should a serious incident take place.
"Hybrid threats typically escalate very quickly and are difficult to anticipate," says deputy commander Jaakko Olli from the South-East Finland Border Guard. "These new powers will allow us to react to situations quicker and more effectively, even in everyday conditions."
Under the new law-to-be the guards' jurisdiction would extend some hundreds of metres from border crossing points and other Border Guard assets.
Jamming mobile networks
The proposal includes giving the Border Guard the right to utilise covert information gathering techniques. One of the central means of acquiring info is tapping into mobile phone network base stations located near border crossing points.
"In a hostage scenario it is important that we gain data on who and what to expect before we charge in," Koivisto says.
Guards could also use audio-visual monitoring to learn more about tactically significant areas. Sometimes mobile telecommunication networks can be silenced using jammers, which would make it harder for "little green men" to coordinate their missions.
"Shutting down teleoperations in an assault situation is a matter of Border Guard staff security," says Koivisto. "People trying to covertly circumvent our standard measures may use telecommunication channels that aren't connected to any specific teleoperator."
Only the Finnish authorities' encrypted Virve network would remain unaffected by jammers. Decisions to jam frequencies could also be authorised after the fact.
Drones, soldiers, transport
The Border Guard would also closely monitor the airspace along the border. Crisis powers would include the right to incapacitate low-flying drones and other unmanned aircraft using live rounds, in an effort to prevent spying.
Border staff would also receive technology to locate and take control of drones.
One of the more conspicuous changes, if the bill were passed, would be that military conscripts could be used as backup. Only Border Guard-trained conscripts and students at the Border and Coast Guard Academy have so far been eligible as crisis support; that would change if the law were passed, as the Defense Forces could also send in the cavalry if needed.
The conscripts' tasks would be more carefully defined under the new system.
"Conscripts would mostly do routine work such as traffic control, monitoring individuals or conducting simple security checks," Koivisto says.
In addition, shipping companies, airlines and railway operators would have more responsibility should Finland decide to check the passports of people travelling to or from Estonia and Sweden, for instance. Passenger manifests would have to be delivered to the Border Guard in advance.
Any transport company that, knowingly or not, lets in a person with insufficient paperwork would be fined 3,000 euros for the error. The same company would also be responsible for repatriating the person(s) in question.
The bill will be discussed by Parliament in the autumn, and will come into effect in spring 2018 if passed.
Note: the Border Guard is already a paramilitary force, with a reserve of around 12000.
edited 18th Jul '17 7:44:26 AM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Someone needs to make a chip that links an officer's holster to their bodycam. Weapon's drawn, camera's on; simple as that.
The only person defending the cops/asking people to wait for more info is their lawyer. This was a flat out mistake on their part, there is no questioning that their jobs are toast at the very least.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
rollin' on dubs
Let's wait for the trial[tm].
Okay now that that's out of the way: As one blogger said "police can pay for training or pay huge settlements to victim's families" (can't find the article, when I do I'll post it).
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48
Whether its building something to code, training your guys, etc, governments need to learn that proper spending on your crap is cheaper than getting your ass sued off when the corner you cut slashes someone.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
I dunno, cops seem to get away with this stuff more often than not. This is something of an exception.
Oh really when?
The cops tend to get away with it, but the jurisdiction often ends up paying out millions in settlements. And that's not getting into the effect the these incidents have on local employment, tourism, etc...
For instance, the last person this department executed in the street? While the cop dodged the manslaughter charge, the city paid his mother a few million bucks.
edited 23rd Jul '17 5:44:46 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Is an abundance of overeactive cops a recent issue, or one that has existed since ever and only became clearer in recent times? Or other possibilities?
Abuse of power is as old as civilization. Body cams and camera phones just splash it nonstop over the TV and Internet these days.
Oh, bother.
And as mentioned above by others, it doesn't help that a lot of police departments' training seems to encourage cops to be paranoid and trigger happy.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Cape Malleum Majorem
Kind of like the LAPD way back when Rodney King was arrested and beaten half to death. Police Chief Darryl Gates freely admitted that they skimped on training; officers weren't taught any kind of holding or restraining techniques with their nightsticks, they were only taught to beat the holy living crap out of a suspect until he stopped moving.
rollin' on dubs
The LAPD had a chokehold they used that killed several suspects, then the beat cops resorted to the tactics we saw on that video.
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170725_11/
Airport police in Japan made arrests on American nationals for carrying/dumping live ammo or having live weapons in their luggage.
How stupid can you be?
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
Oh, bother.
That one guy who accidentally brought a gun with him (assuming that wasn't just a bullshit excuse) really pissed me off. Being that fucking careless with a firearm...
Disgusted, but not surprised
Considering Japanese gun laws... those guys are in for some serious prison time. 7 years for the gun and god knows how many for possible smuggling and so on.
Play stupid games...
Depends where and when in the airport they get caught. They might just get deported.
A few months of pre-charge detention might be possible too...
edited 25th Jul '17 5:40:36 AM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
My understanding is that the cops are often trained to be paranoid and regard anything remotely suspicious as a threat to their lives. So when they get confused for any reason they end up shooting the person who confused them. And then they get off at trial because of the "split second judgment" thing.
The problem of course is their training which emphasizes reacting to danger over keeping a cool head.
edited 17th Jul '17 4:26:24 PM by Clarste