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Ok it was mentioned there is not a thread for Law Enforcement Officers (LEO for short)and other similar jobs for discussion.

This is for discussing the actual jobs, ranks, training, culture, relations to military bodies that exist, and any other variety of topics that can arise pertaining to the World of Policing.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#4301: May 6th 2016 at 8:08:43 PM

Really? This is the first time I'm hearing that. How heavy are those?

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#4302: May 6th 2016 at 8:41:33 PM

Well you are wearing a fair bit of weight around your hips and that can cause some back problems. Something similar happens with hauling around military packs. Add in rough exercise or exertion like chasing, running, and climbing it puts a strain on your body.

edited 6th May '16 8:42:31 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#4303: May 8th 2016 at 7:00:07 PM

Clearly, Korean cops have no driver's license. evil grin

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#4304: May 11th 2016 at 4:10:26 PM

Florida and the Problem of Walmart consuming a lot of police time, effort, and money. This is a long read with lots of info-graphics but rather informative. Basically it boils down to Walmart further leaching off of public resources in one way or another and costing taxpayers money because most of their stores lack any real security measures. Rather then dealing with minor issues they insist on calling the police. This is compounded by the fact they tend to build in or near poor areas and largely cater to the poorer segments of the population which unfortunately has a trend towards higher issues that Walmart faces. What is worse is they know it.

edited 11th May '16 4:15:48 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#4305: May 11th 2016 at 4:13:59 PM

They also have services to help employees sign up for welfare because they'd rather do that than pay them a living wage.

Walmart is just utter scum.

Oh really when?
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#4306: May 11th 2016 at 4:23:40 PM

Question: not sure if this is the place to ask, but is there a specific legal term for "borrowing without permission" or "stealing with intent to return later".

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#4307: May 11th 2016 at 4:32:04 PM

No, taking something without permission is still theft. Of course, it's up to the prosecutor to prove that you never meant to return it, and the jury to decide who's telling the truth.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#4309: May 11th 2016 at 4:34:24 PM

Stealing something regardless of intent to return after the fact is still just theft.

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#4310: May 11th 2016 at 10:03:24 PM

Prohibition era gangsters.

Interesting.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#4311: May 11th 2016 at 10:29:31 PM

Apparently, there's a few acronyms for it, such as "Taking Without Owners Consent", or "TWO Cing".

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#4312: May 14th 2016 at 12:36:42 PM

Policemen:0 Firemen:1 [lol]

edited 14th May '16 12:36:50 PM by dRoy

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#4313: May 14th 2016 at 12:53:28 PM

Officer pulls over and tickets 2 year old.

Toddler driving a toy Mini Cooper "was charged with multiple offenses, including speeding, driving underaged, picking her nose, and, "her Taylor Swift music was too loud."" The girl "will not be charged for drinking and driving, since the only open container that was found in her car was a half-empty Capri Sun."

According to the officer, the girls claimed she was "late for a nail appointment." He also assured the press that he didn't think the infractions would be repeated since "he has known Harper all her life, and the infraction was out of character on her otherwise impeccable driving record: "She's usually a good girl.""

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#4314: May 14th 2016 at 1:10:49 PM

[up][up]You have no idea how nervous that picture makes me.

[up]All of my D'aaaaww

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#4315: May 14th 2016 at 1:16:54 PM

[up] How come?

[up][up] Yeah, all my D'AWWWW.

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#4316: May 14th 2016 at 4:09:52 PM

[up]I have some phobias related to malfunctioning elevators and some bad experiences with some.

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#4317: May 16th 2016 at 11:37:51 PM

Also on the British Politics Thread:

Rural police 'sitting ducks' in UK terror attack

Police officers in rural areas fear they would be "sitting ducks" in the event of a terrorist gun attack in the UK, a Police Federation chairman says. A national shortage of armed officers could leave police in isolated areas "unarmed and vulnerable", John Apter, head of the Hampshire branch warned. Figures revealed the number of firearms officers in England and Wales last year fell to its lowest level since 1987.

Home Secretary Theresa May will address the Police Federation conference later. The federation, which represents constables, sergeants and inspectors in England and Wales, is holding its annual conference in Bournemouth.

Speaking to BBC Radio 4's File on 4, Mr Apter said armed officers could be more than 70 miles away if an attack was launched in a rural location. Some rural and coastal areas include potential terrorist targets - including energy and power plants.

"Being realistic, if a firearms unit was coming from the middle of the county you are still talking about 30 miles away - you are not talking about a few minutes," he said. "There would be an understandable delay. If a firearms unit is the other side of the county they could be 70 miles away so you are talking a significant distance.

"So the only officers that you have available are unarmed and vulnerable officers and they are the officers that are saying to me that in a terrorist situation they would be sitting ducks."

Police chiefs struggling to recruit armed officers over conviction fears

Police chiefs are struggling to recruit enough officers willing to carry a gun to tackle a Paris-style terror attack, because they fear they will be treated as criminal suspects if they use their weapon in the line of duty, the country’s top firearms officer has warned.

Deputy chief constable Simon Chesterman said potential recruits were being deterred because of fears they could spend years under investigation after a decision to fire on a suspect.

After November’s terrorist gun and bomb attacks on Paris, senior security officials believe Britain needs an extra 1,500 armed officers. But because half won’t make it through rigorous training and selection, police chiefs need 3,000 volunteers to come forward.

Chesterman, the national lead for firearms, said: “We might have a challenge attracting the right number of volunteers and retaining the people we have got.” He added: “It is not a crisis but it might become one.”

A representative of firearms officers in England and Wales has warned that in the event of a determined terrorist gun attack targeting civilians such as that carried out in the French capital six months ago, significant parts of Britain would be left vulnerable.

Che Donald of the Police Federation, who represents the current 5,647 firearms officers, said while major cities such as London had sufficient cover, other large towns and cities did not. “Currently there are not enough firearms officers who could deal with an incident in quite a lot of areas of Britain.”

Britain’s police are largely unarmed and officers need to volunteer to carry a gun.

This need to boost numbers coincided with increased disaffection among firearms officers, caused by several factors.

Chesterman and Donald say firearms officers were rocked by the arrest in December 2015 of a police officer on suspicion of murder.

The officer known as W80 was arrested by the Independent Police Complaints Commission after a suspect, Jermaine Baker, was shot dead in December in Wood Green, north London. Baker was thought by police to be part of a plot to spring a prisoner from custody. He was shot while sat in the front passenger seat of a car. An imitation firearm was found in the back of the car, on the floor.

Donald said the arrest caused anger. “It had a huge effect. It sent shockwaves through the entire armed policing community.”

Chesterman added: “Morale among firearms officers is poor. They are more than prepared to put themselves in harm’s way to protect the public. What they are worried about, in the event they have to use lethal force, is that they make a split-second decision and are pulled apart for up to 10 years.”

He said the anger among firearms officers, at a time when they were needed more than ever to face down a potential terrorist attack, had led the prime minister to order a review of the laws covering armed officers.

David Cameron’s review was “reassuring” and “very welcome” and stopped the disaffection among armed officers worsening, said Chesterman.

He said: “No one is looking for immunity, but they want to be treated as professional witnesses and not as suspects, unless there is evidence.”

Officers are also angered by IPCC plans to toughen up measures after any shooting. The plans being considered by the home secretary would mean that officers are separated after a shooting, stopped from conferring while making statements, and required to give detailed accounts straight after an incident.

Chesterman “There are things in the background that, if we don’t get them right, will put people off.”

Deborah Coles of Inquest, which has supported families whose loved ones have died after police shootings, said officers should face tougher rules. Recent killings include the innocent Jean Charles de Menezes, mistaken for a terrorist in 2005, and Mark Duggan, who was shot in 2011 after an officer thought he was holding a gun, which an inquest jury concluded he had tossed away earlier.

In both cases police use of deadly force was found to be lawful. Under the laws on self-defence, officers need to show they have an “honest belief” that a suspect poses a lethal threat.

Coles said: “The lack of immediate separation and conferring by police following shootings and other deaths involving use of force has undermined family, community and public confidence with concerns about risks of collusion or contamination of evidence.

“The police hold a monopoly on the use of force on behalf of the state and this comes with a requirement to justify the fatal use of force in a transparent manner. The rule of law must apply equally to police officers. Police resistance to the new proposals will further erode public confidence.”

Some in policing believe the law should be changed to further protect armed officers, but Chesterman’s view is that it does not need to, although the procedures could be improved: “There should be a rebuttable presumption they have done nothing wrong, unless the evidence shows otherwise.”

London is seen as the most likely target for a terrorist attack, and the Metropolitan police are on course to recruit 300 of the 600 extra armed officers they want.

UK military special forces units such as the Special Air Service and Special Boat Service are on standby and response times have been cut to less than an hour, but armed police officers are expected to be the first to confront any attackers.

After the Paris attacks, a special squad of counter-terrorism specialist firearms officers has been increased in number and is now organised in four hubs around Britain, as well as a squad covering London.

Donald said: “The challenge is is going to be quick mobilisation and getting resources to where they are needed in sufficient numbers.”

It's quite a culture difference from US Police.

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#4318: May 16th 2016 at 11:39:29 PM

Speak of which. New training center uses live fire and live actors. Watch the vid for the details.

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#4319: May 17th 2016 at 3:34:25 AM

[up][up] The police can be allowed to conference after deaths when they stop engaging in massive criminal conspiracies to blame victims for police fuck ups.

Yes there must be a presumption of innocence for individuals, but when you are part of an organisation with as bad a reputation as British police forces a high level of suspicion is required.

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#4320: May 17th 2016 at 6:21:12 AM

[up] The British police have a poor reputation? Poorer than the Ferguson PD?

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#4321: May 17th 2016 at 7:26:53 AM

The London Met are officially "institutionally racist", I believe several forces have been implicated with giving private information on victims to the press for bribes, not that long ago the Met oversaw a campaign of rape by deception where uncover cops build fake lives with women in protest groups and fathered children with them (in one case explicitly telling the women to not have an abortion because he wasn't goign anywhere) before disappearing once the assignment ended, there's the murder of Stephen Lawrence [1] case where the police cocked the entire thing so much we have to partially revoke double jeopardy laws to get a conviction, and then the big daddy, the Hillsborough disaster [2], where 96 people died and 766 were injured and the police are considered responsible not only for the deaths but also manipulating evidence (including the statements of junior officers), feeding false information to the press and falsely accusing the victims of being responsible for the deaths.

The British police are bad, there's a reason that half of England broke out in riots several years ago and police from Wales and Scotland had to be bought in to deal with it.

edited 17th May '16 7:27:38 AM by Silasw

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#4323: May 17th 2016 at 8:58:54 AM

[up][up] But do you think the situation is bad enough to bring the Army in instead like in Northern Ireland?

[up] Although in that case, Special Forces may be mixed up in that as well.

edited 17th May '16 8:59:27 AM by Greenmantle

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#4324: May 17th 2016 at 11:57:33 AM

[up] In a possibly bombing situation I'd certainly preference it. However my point was more that the answer to the police saying "why can't we conference after a shooting?" is pretty simple, it's "when you conference after people die you tend to cover everything up and blame the victim".

Hell thats before you get into stuff like officers from the diplomatic protection unit issuing false statements so as to remove government ministers from office, and the police union leaders then lying to the public so as to ensure the removal of a government minister.

The British armed forces have enough respect to never stage a coupl, the British police, I certainly wouldn't put it beyond the realms of possibility.

edited 17th May '16 12:00:08 PM by Silasw

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#4325: May 18th 2016 at 11:08:23 AM

I've heard nothing but bad things about the Met.

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