Edit banned/Suspended - would like to edit again.

I said i would avoid edit wars in the future, what else do you want me to do?

I do not have a problem with people changing tropes I put in because they see them as less than accurate. That has happened plenty of times. My issue is with a specific edit that I found to be wrong, which I have explained my reasoning and pointed out I talked with the guy about it even as I removed it.

Do I just need to say I will not go near that entry? That page? What do I need to do to edit again?

Hi. I edited a tier based scrappy page, got a message from the guy who objected to the edit that the matter has been moved to "ask the troper" and now I seem to have been suspended from being able to edit - I've yet to receive any kind of alert or explanation of why I was suspended.

I'm kinda new to the whole "Ask The Troper" thing, but I'v been using the site and editing content for a VERY long time now (a decade, I think) and this is the first time I've ever been suspended.

I'm not clear on why I've been suspended just because someone opened a discussion post.

>Regardless of your intent, the example comes across as intolerant.

Only if you go looking for something to be outraged about.

>Expecting people to speak the language of a country is a position frequently associated with racism,

So, I was being racist-adjacent? The KKK supported stricter gun control, should I avoid supporting that topic, too?

>and it counts as importing RL politics and applying them to a fictional work, something that tends to run afoul of the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment.

That is the entire point of the Strawman Has a Point trope: "Authors use these Strawmen because they have a position of their own to defend, and they want to make it clear who is right (namely the characters who agree with the author's opinion) and who is wrong. Yet sometimes — possibly at the time, possibly after some thought — the audience realizes that the Strawman made the better argument, even though his position was the "wrong" one."

>In other words, nobody's asking for you to start a fight, so don't start one.

I know you're not asking for a fight. You're also not permitting any differing values, which is also the point of the YMMV tab: "The article might call for a value judgment and your judgment call could be different from another troper's."

See, THIS is why you should actually have a discussion with people before hitting them with the ban-hammer.

Because you've got the sequence of events wrong. it wasn't MY edit that was undone - someone else posted a bunch of change to the page. The guy who reported me was the one who deleted it, and after seeing this, I restored the original post, while explaining that the reason for the original deletion was unjustified. You can observe the fact that the original edit was indeed not mine by looking at the Overwatch Tier Induced Scrappy page history.

Its worth noting that the character in question has been part of the game for months, and EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN THE GAME already has a folder in the "tier induced scrappy" thread. Had the person who deleted the original post disagreed with the original post, they could have simply changed the wording around - but removing this character folder from the page entirely was not justified.

In the past - had the person who deleted the post still disagreed with this after my correction, it would lead to the topic being moved to the discussion tab and we would have resolved this through discussion. Now - inexplicably - the topic was instead flagged as an "Edit war" and I got suspended.

And unless the other guy involved in this "Edit war" was suspended as well - this is unjustly singling ME out just because the other guy cried 'Edit War" first.

As such, I request that my suspension be revoked.

Nope, positive.

I'll tag in with Darkness's point on similar regards, mostly on the fact that, while I was the one who deleted the post that began the edit war on my end, I did offer up reasons and what I'd want to see to the post to be fine with it.

The other guy completely ignored every reason I had or discussed, not even when I had fairly acceptable requests (Explain why the character is My Real Daddy beyond 'is more known in RP community for X' is not an unreasonable request, and all I got was 'he had Thor powers'.) he could have edited in himself, called edit war, and I'm banned.

I've explained my reasoning several times, and even pointed out that I did, even as I did cut the thing, offered suggestions and reasons to Fallen Kingdom amidst the edit cutting, and all I've gotten is 'You are too sure of yourself, we have nothing more to say'.

I've asked how to get unbanned a few times, offered to stay away from that page, and have gotten no response.

Look at the Discussion Page on YMMV/Broken Bow, I explained my concerns and offered suggestions aplenty, and I was rebuffed about it the entire time. Frankly it makes me wonder what would have happened if I had called Moderator and cried Edit War, instead of not calling on the ban hammer quickly.

I might have had the 'Rename it Adaptional Displacement' thought I had on this thread and the problem could have been solved. But instead I got banned, and I can't do anything.

I can't even PM the guy about it, as I am fairly certain messaging the guy who got you banned telling you what to edit the thing you were arguing about, is the absolute worst thing I could possibly do.

edited 30th May '18 12:06:54 PM by KrspaceT

I was suspended for some reason. Was I edit warring on the Pokémon protagonist page? If so, I didn't know that was edit warring. I thought edit warring was when you got into a scuffle on entries. If you add back an example twice in a row then it's a war, but I didn't know re-adding it back once counted.

I put an example back and was going to ask about it in ATT if it was removed a second time. Then I saw on ATT that there is a thread for expy discussions, so I mentioned the example in the Expy thread to see if it should be on the page or not.

Edit:

I've checked the Edit War page and it says "If you add something, someone changes or removes it, and you change it back, you're edit warring." So, I suppose I was edit warring. I didn't know that it worked like that. I thought it was an edit war if it was twice in a row. I'll try to avoid such things in the future then.

edited 31st May '18 6:49:09 AM by Pichu-kun

And the proper way is what, every time I see something I think is wrong I have to go to forum and get agreement before I can change it? If I see any trope that looks wrong I have to start a thread on it lest I get flagged up here like it seems half a dozen other people have been?

I am getting as worked up as I have been because the entire thing just came out of nowhere, and was on top of two troper talk (Fallen Kingdom and myself) that didn't go anywhere even when I did talk about it.

You have also failed to tell me what I'm supposed to do to get unbanned. Do I have to agree to something? Do I have to say something? You haven't provided that Fighteer.

I have pages that I edit that are falling behind because you are not giving me an answer beyond 'etiquette'. A type of violation I have only gotten once.

You'd think I'd have been here because of format mistakes that Septimus sends my way time to time, not a single instance of disagreement.

edited 31st May '18 9:42:59 AM by KrspaceT

I've never bothered to look at the Edit War page because I don't get into edit wars (purposedly at least). Using ATT I always assumed it was "two strikes" not "one", and thus I didn't notice it counted as an edit war.

I only did that because it took me days of me stating 'I would avoid the page the edit war' and asking how to get unbanned for you to actually explain how gets someone unbanned.

I'm sorry if I was getting a tad annoyed after days of dancing. It was honestly looking like I was never going to get a response from you or another mod about it.

Look, if you want me to say 'I will try and not get into an edit war', I can do that. I'm not normally adding to YMMV so that is quite doable, nor do I often do Tier Induced conflicts. I normally edit tropes and works. If it looks like it might happen again, I will try and avoid getting banned by trying to hash it out.

Why was I suspended? I don't quite understand. What did I do wrong? Could you please explain?

I just said 'Look, if you want me to say 'I will try and not get into an edit war', I can do that. I'm not normally adding to YMMV so that is quite doable, nor do I often do Tier Induced conflicts. I normally edit tropes and works. If it looks like it might happen again, I will try and avoid getting banned by trying to hash it out.'

What part of that isn't me saying 'I am willing to work with people'? I am quite capable of doing that, in fact here's an example that occurred amidst me asking 'what do I need to do to get unbanned'

(Guy named Streakson deletes the 'untitled Pokemon game for Switch' entry added with the recent announcement)

My PM: Pokemon also recently clarified that there will be a 2019 Gen 8 title. So there is an additional 'unannounced Switch Pokemon Game'.

Streakson: Yes, you’re right, I just learned that, I apologize for the mistake.

(Edit goes back up).

I am quite capable of not getting into arguments. It happened one time, and I don't exactly plan on getting into more.

I do not plan on getting into another edit war.

I do not plan on restarting the Broken Bow disagreement.

I do not plan on seeking out Fallen Kingdom.

Do I need to promise anything else?

@Fighteer OK, I understand that. I didn't quite understand at the time that I was in an edit war already; instinctively I thought "it doesn't count until I edit it for the third time", and after checking the administrative page on edit wars, I still thought that this was the case. I misread the part where it said that "the third edit was the threshold." I didn't realize that they meant the third edit overall. Now I know; I promise I'll keep that in mind and not make this mistake again.

If it helps, I was trying to resolve this problem as soon as it came up. I didn't realize that the edit war had already began at that point, but I did try to resolve it "preemptively". I private messaged Milla Maxwell (who I was in an edit war with). Yesterday, I private messaged them again. The edit war has been resolved at this point... So, that said, could you give me another chance? I promise that this won't happen again.

edited 1st Jun '18 7:47:41 AM by GM_3826

I'm not a troll. To be honest, I don't know why I thought it was a good idea to make an account just to post that, but I was in a depressed state of mind during that time. A subconscious want for attention, maybe. I did also answer some other people's inquiries at the time on Trope Finder, and asked about whether there's a specific trope for something about soundproof doors, if I recall.

Hello there, it's me again. So i would like to again appeal to end my suspension i feel that it has been a long,long time sense last time I tried this so I am back to try again so.

Could I please go back to editing, I will try and be careful this time.

Hi, good night. I would like to have my suspension revoked. It had something to do with an edit war and now I realize I let myself get too involved on a YMMV page. I would like to edit again. Thank you very much.

Hey there! I recently received a suspension from trope-editing. I believe it's due to some recent YMMV edits over a hot/sensitive topic. I never meant for it to come across as edit warring or aggression, and I'd like to formally apologize and get back to helping this place grow for the better.

Hey I was suspended because of an edit war. I actually had wanted to try to settle the issue over PM before it got out of hand but I couldn't find it so I thought the feature had been disabled, but after I got suspended I found it. I apologize for the issue, and I was hoping to have the suspension lifted

edited 3rd Jun '18 7:18:14 AM by TotalDramaRox97