Type-Moon: Fate/stay night, Tsukihime, and Kara no Kyoukai discussion

Um, well OK

Deus Sex Machina, ahoy.

Yeah I was pretty surprised about that too.

They were apparently tacked on though which is why the anime usually changes the rituals in someway.

Yup. Zero is a prequel spin-off that was based off a light novel written by Gen Urobuchi.

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:32:45 PM by slimcoder

And I assume it's completely absent from Zero.

I haven't heard about them being tacked on before. Also, it's worth noting that the Realta Nua (an Updated Re-release for the PS 2 that added some new CGs, voice acting, and a few other things) version replaces all sex scenes with alternate scenes. Personally, I find the original scenes to actually be better since the second Fate scene completely kills the emotional development and the UBW one is just retarded (can't comment on the HF ones since I still haven't read it). The first Fate one is kinda cool, though.

What counts as elimination from the War? Is it when the master dies, the servant dies, or both?

I have a hard time believing that Assassin is really dead. It's just way to early in the story for that, but we'll see.

I wonder what kind of keikaku Kirei and Tokiome have going here.

The only thing I remember for Realta Nua's changes was because of all the sex-related stuff being removed, Sakura was basically like a vampire for the HF route.

Usually when the Servant dies

edited 23rd Oct '16 10:46:30 PM by Nouct

If the Master dies, the Servant has a limited amount of time to either find a new Master or some other way to sustain themselves. How much time depends on several factors.

If the Servant dies, so long as the Master has Command Seals, they're still in the War. In theory, they could find a Master-less Servant and be back in the game. A Servant-less Master can, however, remove themselves from the War by taking refuge in the Overseer's church (at least in theory). A Master is also removed from the War (technically) if they use all of their Command Seals but that's more of a formality than a hard rule.

OK, thanks. I assume it has a high fatality rate for the masters too.

And so Kirei is out of the game already in Episode 3. I guess he never really wanted to be a part of all this anyway. Unless Assassin is still alive, which I believe he is.

Just because you don't have a Servant doesn't mean you can't participate in the War. See Maiya and Irisviel for examples.

True, I hadn't thought of it that way but of course Kirei is going to stick around for a while.

He can't actually use the Grail now though, can he?

Kirei is still a Master. Be sure to read my post since I explained how it works.

Of course, even if he wasn't, nothing I know of states that you have to be a Master in order to use the Holy Grail. Theoretically speaking, once the Lesser Grail been made manifest and is powered, anyone could use it as far as I know.

Right, thanks. I feel a bit dumb now

It's kind of confusing though.

Welcome to the Nasuverse.

It doesn't get any simpler.

Just for clarification, so it's basically the last guy with a Servant (not necessarily theirs) left who wins the War?

More or less.

And, of course, I'm guessing it's just a generally good practice here to kill the Masters as well, because it's a little difficult for a dead person to get back in the game (probably. Magic is involved, after all)

All the servants have to die as well.

Its basically last man standing here.

Understood. So the War continues until only one Master and Servant pair are left alive, at which point they gain access to the Grail? Have I got that right? (I hope I'm not being annoying)

It's not a threesome ending, don't listen to them.

Anyway, Masters are the most obvious weak point, so it's pretty standard to try targeting them.

Most of the FSN endings are pretty happy and bittersweet at worst.

I could comment on more of what you've been saying but I'd prefer to avoid bringing up spoilers, though this thread has been pretty loose with them so far.

Edit: Consider the war to be over when all but one Servant is dead. It's not technically accurate but it's what you should keep in mind. The winner is the person who gets the grail, which is not necessarily the person who has the last Servant left.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:42:10 PM by Arha

Thanks for the explanations. I think at this point I'll try to just watch the series instead of asking infinite numbers of questions, which I've annoyed at least one thread in the past by doing lol.

I can tell this is going to be a fun ride.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:43:01 PM by LinkToTheFuture

Fun is not how I'd describe Fate Zero.

Just for the record, if anyone has questions about an English translation of Type-Moon works (visual novels, light novels, video games, etc.), you should check the Beast's Lair forum, because they're the ones who do the vast majority of the work on this kind of thing for the Nasuverse.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:44:23 PM by MarqFJA

For a certain value of fun, at least.

At this stage, I'd recommend you finish up Fate/Zero and then bombard us with questions. While there are plenty of questions that can be answered without spoiling anything in it, there are an equal number that can't.

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Don't worry too much about asking questions because the Nasuverse is very complicated and a lot of info is buried in guidebooks that never got an official English translation.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:46:56 PM by Zelenal

There has to be no servants in the end though.

When a servant dies they go back to the grail to fuel so eventually every servant must go back so the grail can be fully charged.

I think there are exceptions though.

@Arha the fight scenes are pretty fun & especially any scene involving Gilgamesh or Iskandar.

edited 23rd Oct '16 11:51:21 PM by slimcoder