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im kind of an asshole but people still like me for some reason

I don't mind people except I don't try to make friends that much because I know that the people that I meet won't always be in to what I'm in to. And I try not to offend people with my opinions on things, but I like to talk about what I'm interested in and I try not to care about someone's negative opinion about it.

Mostly, I try to be nice to people while also being forthright with them, because while I think there are small things that are more worth keeping to oneself than hurting someone's feelings, I feel like pretending that one is not effected negatively by something another person does because telling them as much might upset them is doing neither person involved a service. I am also just a really bad liar and tend to share too much naturally, but that's a chicken/egg problem.

So, uh...

Using the term "tulpa" for the phenomenon being described seems to somewhat muddy the waters with respect to the original concept. Either way, it strikes me as a mild form of depersonalisation, perhaps created as a coping mechanism, although I am not an expert. Your bug-friend strikes me as fairly benign in the greater scheme of things, but a word of advice: If something in your head starts telling you things that make you uncomfortable, or behaving in unsettling ways, please, seek professional help immediately. Hopefully that will not happen, however.

(For the record, I'm not easily weirded out by this sort of thing, and mainly concerned with whether something like this is an impediment or danger to the person's well-being rather than whether or not it's "normal.")

There is this strange sense running through the public perception. That is, people who hear voices are crazy. This is not true, though. Maybe it was regarded as such an one point, sometime before the seventies when homosexuality and transgender were both also seen as disorders of the mind as well.

But modern professional psychologists are very strong on this point. Nothing is a disorder unless it is causing the patient distress or the inability to function in society. If there is no way to connect a condition to either distress or dysfunction, then the condition is not in any way a disorder.

The closest psychological term is dissociation. Which is not a disorder, but a behaviour, and one present in many disorders. However, the standard definition of dissociation, that of a defence mechanism, does not apply to the deliberate induction of dissociation.

In my mind, people who think that hearing voices is a form of insanity are following a popular belief, like a belief in ghosts or gods. You can't really fight beliefs like this. They are too big, and people won't appreciate it.

Note: Voices would be a form of hallucination, not dissociation. Tulpas count as dissociation, not hallucination.

edited 4th Oct '16 5:04:31 AM by war877

I think you're being a bit defensive here. Dissociation, which is to say the separation of one's sense of self in its many forms—I incorrectly used "depersonalisation" there, which is a different variety of the issue from that which you describe—doesn't happen in healthy people without some good reason; nor do hallucinations, although they're a bit easier to produce. Saying that something is probably indicative of an illness or some other issue is not a value judgement or an insult, simply an observation based on data.

Are you mentally ill? I don't know you well enough to say anything conclusive, nor could I be all that sure if I did, as I am merely someone with an interest in psychology as opposed to a professional. But even if I said that you were—and it's certainly possible—it wouldn't be an attack on your character or experiences. And again, your experiences strike me as rather benign. But were I in your position, I would ask myself, "Why am I having these sensory experiences? What is my brain doing and why does it need to do it?" I suspect, given that you've mentioned anxiety issues before, that it's simply your mind's way of calming you down and giving you someone to talk to when nobody's there. Which is unusual, sure, but unless it's keeping you from interacting with other people in a meaningful way... *shrug*

I'm not defensive, I'm nervous. :p

It still seems you are making the popular mistake of confusing the symptom for the disease.

Anyway, I can answer your question with both yes and no without lying due to the multiple definitions of illness. I probably have SPD (schizoid). A disease whose reality depends on the culture of the people around you, to be extra confusing.

I also agree that dissociation does not occur in healthy people without a good reason. Such as meditating, or being born that way. Same for hallucination. Such as falling asleep or waking up. Or tinnitus.

Well, I stand corrected. Hearing voices are not for sure hallucination. Some think they are illusion instead. I was not sure. Since it is normal to hear your own voice in your head, and this is considered not hallucinatory. And mistaking real perception for something else counts as illusion not hallucination.

I am not making these claims to defend myself. These are merely some common misperceptions that annoy me in their prevalence.

Your theory is off base. But not completely. Synthesising another person in your head is not easy, so it usually occurs as a defence mechanism in response to trauma for those who are not born that way. I don't have any trauma. Having someone to speak to is an unlikely reason for the effect. Having someone to speak and act for you is far more likely given my extreme aversion to social situations.

This phenomenon can also accompany fiction writing. And I have been doing a lot of writing practise this last year. Usually, professional fiction writers experience the illusion of independent agency from their characters with some frequency. If you want to be crass, you can say the difference between an IIA character and another person in your head is whether you think they are a person or not. This is certainly a theory, but most people with people in their head and also writing experience have both types and distinguish between them.

The anime that will sadly never exist

It's glorious

The flaw in your logic here is that context is key. The brain-states in which certain phenomena occur healthily and in which they are a symptom of another problem are entirely different. To whit, I can personally attest to the difference between imagining a character or having an internal monologue and hallucinating or dissociating.

Schizoid personality would explain your situation. Most people don't have that fine a membrane between their inner and outer lives, and honestly, I find the idea of being able to externalise one's thoughts like that fascinating. I can see it being problematic and troubling at times, however, which is why my initial advice still stands. There is a difference between having a personal baseline for normality that is non-standard and being in actual danger, and having those lines in place is important.

But enough about the philosophy of abnormal psychology; let's talk about how...

... this should totally be a real show.

I found out about this weeks ago and it made me very happy. Also, apparently the lyrics to that song are all just suggestive onomatopoeia? Because Maximum the Hormone are that kind of band.

Interesting.

Sorry for the derail people. Went on about therory too much.

Most of my posts since august are written by him.

After a long time of tweaking it back and forth and trying ideas and tossing them into the garbage, I think I might have finished redisgning my fursona/OC/thefuckever.

Look at this edgy furry garbage.

I kid, it might be simple and still just a sketch, but I love my GF for doing it for me. sinceicantdrawworthshitholyhellisuck

NOW all that is left is to find someone to throw a reasonable amount of money at to get a really nice picture of him.

Found one. And now I wait.

edited 23rd Oct '16 5:57:20 AM by Geist-Fox

Looks nice to me.

You may wish him to not be cute all you want. Those were cute.

Psh, cuteness... Who needs it?

Not like it's embarassing or anything...

iactuallydontmindhimbeingcuteatall

So how about some of the Funny Animal movies that will be out soon? Sing looks like it will be very good despite some people getting a bit upset over it coming out not too long after Zootopia and when they think that it copied it. I also just heard about Rock Dog a little bit ago and it looks very promising as well. There isn't a page for it but here's the trailer

They look so-so. I really wouldn't say either of them is "ripping off" Zootopia, because it's not like that movie invented talking animal societies for fucks sake.

But I do agree that the success of Zootopia might have given a boost in popularity towards the setting. (And no, not "genre" because "talking animals" isn't one. "Buddy-cop film" yes, "family musical" also yes, but just "animals that talk" no.)

Funny thing is, they both are looking to be much more song filled than Zootopia. You know, the Disney film. The company people expect to shove in three sing-alongs in a single film. Which Zootopia gladly was lacking.

Well to be fair as most of us know, Zootopia wasn't supposed to be about music, but because of what it tackled, it's the greatest of the year. I wouldn't be surprised if it managed to get nominated for Best Picture and hopefully even win it. Granted it hasn't happened before but it's definitely possible.

Also, these two have different plots and elements despite being about music. Sing being about well...singing and Rock Dog being about playing instruments. Another interesting thing is that Rock Dog is actually a Chinese film and according to good ol' Wiki, the most expensive Chinese animated production. While I will be seeing Sing when it comes out, I'll probably be more interested in Rock Dog instead since Sing is being done by Illumination who has done a good number of other animated moves (mainly Despicable Me) and Rock Dog is being done by someone completely different. I mean come on, almost all animated movies nowadays in the states are from Disney, Pixar or Illumination. I also liked Kubo a lot especially the great visuals they used and also not done by one of the big companies. But it's a darn shame that it'll be overlooked this year award wise. It doesn't help that it was a Box Office Bomb because of such little promotion of it.

Me and my gf went to see Kubo lately, speaking of which.

Great film and very strong visuals. Shame that it will be overlooked, because stop-motion is a dying art form, it wasn't promoted anywhere and it's by a bunch of people nobody heard of.

edited 23rd Oct '16 7:03:16 PM by Geist-Fox

Oh nose, a wild double post appeared!

Guess what I got just in time for Halloween!!^note now with updated design!

edited 30th Oct '16 4:03:04 AM by Geist-Fox

Best avvie it appears.

Anyway, finally saw zootopia. They were all realistically sized. Weird. Decent film.

Why is being realistically sized weird? It's not THAT unusual.

I think everybody's used to anthro characters largely being the same size give or take a foot or two, so it's a bit of an adjustment.

I can deal with either or.

Except it's really weird when a mouse is taller than a duck.

taking the last few posts out of context is amusing.

I'm not a fan of human-sized anthros personally. I prefer actual animal proportions. Feels more, well, natural.