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artfulscruff Since: Apr, 2010
#2551: Dec 17th 2015 at 2:39:01 AM

[up] That hadn't occurred to me, but yeah, now you mention it, the tasks required for the 2.0 relic were challenging in themselves, and working to clear them for a tangible and definite award (as opposed to random weapon drops) was good (and see also what I've said before about the difficulty curve naturally dropping off as time went by).

However, grinding FAT Es is not challenging, it's essentially recycling content you've almost certainly already done, if only in passing, and when you bring the RNG into it you remove any guarantee of a reward and there's no actual sense of progress and achievement.

Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2552: Dec 17th 2015 at 1:27:59 PM

I guess they don't have any comparison to the Hard Mode Primals to fall back on.

People are still struggling to clear the likes of Bismarck and Thok Ast Thok extreme, so putting it behind that would have cut out a lot of the playerbase, but Limitless Blue and Thok Ast Thok normal are already called Hard Mode, so there's no in between area.

If everyone were normal, the world would be a dull place. Like reality television.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#2553: Dec 17th 2015 at 1:58:09 PM

Well, they created Hydra and Chimera especially for that questline. Not super-difficult fights and not the capstone, but no reason they couldn't do *something* to make new stuff in that tier, ignoring logistic and scheduling issues involved.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2554: Dec 17th 2015 at 2:08:34 PM

Square reused the Hallatail and Vault dungeons for the main story quests, but they were altered in a way that they still felt different. Why couldn't have they done that for the relics? I love going back to old dungeons that underwent a change.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#2555: Dec 17th 2015 at 2:18:04 PM

Hydra used Halitali's environment too (the area for Chimera is part of Coearthas) and of course the primals had their arenas in the storyline first. It's battle design that would take up the main aspect, I think, and that's no light load.

edited 17th Dec '15 2:18:37 PM by Elle

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2556: Dec 17th 2015 at 2:19:53 PM

Wouldn't the reuse of map assets help cut down on development time?

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#2557: Dec 17th 2015 at 2:24:06 PM

By battle design, I mean fight mechanics which only affects the art end insofar as animations and area layout.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2558: Dec 17th 2015 at 4:06:31 PM

Most of the fights have been recycled anyway, only difference being number crunching and status effects.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#2559: Dec 17th 2015 at 5:39:51 PM

Boss fights tend to have some unique quality; anything on the level of a Primal fight has expectations of something unique and distinctive.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#2560: Dec 17th 2015 at 8:48:57 PM

It;s true, one of the things I noticed that all the bosses in dungeons and trials have some sort of gimmick, dungeons are light in comparison to ex trials and raids but some form of mechanic is present

edited 17th Dec '15 8:49:17 PM by MorningStar1337

artfulscruff Since: Apr, 2010
#2561: Dec 18th 2015 at 2:07:44 AM

Yeah, I've noticed several boss battles, whether it be dungeon bosses, trials, or raids, that have similar mechanics, but I can't remember it ever feeling like they completely re-used a mechanic, it's always had at least a small twist or change, and I don't feel I can be hard on them in this particular, since it's such a huge game it's amazing that the boss battles are as varied as they are.

I'm wondering now if saying that doing FAT Es for weapon stuff is really recycling content tongue It's definitely not coming up with new content. The real problem is the RNG. I've said before that I don't mind a grind as long as there is measurable progress. Grinding FAT Es for exp or Light for the old relic? Time-consuming, but ultimately I didn't mind because I knew that every FATE I did was contributing. If it's simply a random drop you're waiting for, then every FATE completed where you don't get it is essentially a waste of time. Though I just remembered that someone said earlier you don't have to be the job you're doing the relic for to get the drops this time, so you can multitask, and maybe that's not so bad.

I feel like I should go back to actually playing the game instead of complaining about content I haven't experienced ¬_¬

Ekimmak Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2562: Dec 18th 2015 at 2:42:01 AM

That's nice if it's true. If you've got a combat class in the 50+ range, you can level them while earning your crystals.

If everyone were normal, the world would be a dull place. Like reality television.
Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#2563: Dec 27th 2015 at 11:17:35 AM

Kind of amused that the game arguably plays nude Thancred for more fan service than it did nude Y'shtola. Sounds like he managed to break the mold and keep his English voice actor, even.

edited 27th Dec '15 11:17:53 AM by Hashil

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2564: Dec 27th 2015 at 2:48:55 PM

His scene was half played for laughs and half played for his badassery while the other was showing how she barely survived when she got yanked out.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#2565: Dec 27th 2015 at 3:07:44 PM

They're both classier than typical Naked on Arrival type scenes, though, especially hers. We also get to see a whole lot more of Thancred than we do of her.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2566: Dec 27th 2015 at 3:20:39 PM

Maybe he has more fans. He isn't called Handsome Stranger for nothing.

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Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#2567: Dec 27th 2015 at 4:54:34 PM

It's like I've said before:

There ARE girls on the Internet, and they need their fanservice too!

arahman56 Since: Aug, 2010
#2568: Jan 5th 2016 at 2:21:46 PM

So, turns out you can name yourself after a city.

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#2569: Jan 13th 2016 at 11:30:03 AM

Some sad news in regards to Yurgi's voice actress Sian Blake, who had voiced the character in the Heavensward chapters. A few weeks ago, people on the forums posted links to news sites stating that Sian and her two children were murdered in their own home. Nothing was definite yet, but the FF14 dev team openly acknowledged that Sian Blake is now gone and she will be dearly missed.

edited 13th Jan '16 12:26:12 PM by Steven

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Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#2571: Jan 15th 2016 at 12:05:03 AM

Bought this last month as part of the Humble Square Enix Bundle. Didn't play it very often until last week or so, which means I only have a week left in my free month before it expires. Nonetheless, I feel I'm having a pretty good time with it so far, and maybe I'll consider investing in a Game Time Card if and when I can afford it after the free month expires.

If anyone's looking for me, I'm a Pugilist named Berehta Nettacki hanging 'round the Ultros server. Currently at Level 17 and just unlocked the ability to board the airship to other lands.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#2572: Jan 15th 2016 at 12:27:10 AM

[up] Level 17 huh? If you ever take an interest in Ninjutsu or Poetry, you should be set for the respective Jobs, If you wanna stick to Good Old Fisticuffs however, I should warn you that you need to level up another class before you can take pugilism to it's full potential of a (Not so) Bare-Fisted Monk

edited 15th Jan '16 12:27:23 AM by MorningStar1337

Nettacki Since: Jan, 2010
#2573: Jan 20th 2016 at 6:52:48 PM

Today's my last day in the free month of FFXIV. Not sure if or when I'll be able to obtain a game time card or a subscription, but I plan to do it sooner rather than later. For now, I'll just play whatever I can.

stevebat Since: Nov, 2009
#2574: Jan 22nd 2016 at 8:48:11 AM

FFXIV Is on sale on Steam for 50% off for both the base game and heavensward

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.
Cganale Since: Dec, 2010
#2575: Jan 22nd 2016 at 1:11:34 PM

That's a pretty good deal.


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