Kyon: Big Damn Hero

Fujiwara gave Kyon and Mikuru something they were looking for because predestination or something dictated that he had to. He wasn't pleased about it but he still did it.

Book 7, I think. Or maybe 6. Which is the one where Mikuru's travelled a week into the past?

edited 3rd Oct '10 12:05:40 PM by RainyDaze

Point taken. And it is Book 7.

Okay, so he's smart enough that he knows it's possible for an apocalyptic Time Crash to occur if his actions lead to a Temporal Paradox. That's good to know.

On the TPDD thing, the actual name in Japanese is literally the Gratuitous English "Time Plane Destroyed Device", full name first given in Disappearance. Most translations usually translate it as "Time Plane Destruction Device" as it makes a bit more sense.

Oh, and Filraen, if it exists as "a non-material sixth sense in her brain", then how does she wind up losing it in Disappearance Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody(Thanks, Filraen)? Ok, I know that adult!Mikuru took it from her, but if it's ingrained into her body, how does she not find it's disappearance much more disconcerting? I mean, if I had some special sense that someone just stole one day, I'd be a hell of a lot more worried than just trying to figure out how to return where I was originally. I'd be more like, "Who the hell's been messing with my head?"

edited 4th Oct '10 10:30:18 AM by thedarkfreak

You must mean losing in Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, where teen!Mikuru lost it to adult!Mikuru when she touched her cheek. (or if you mean alternate!Mikuru but she doesn't know she has it or not so it's a moot point)

Actually... yours is a very good question. Teen!Mikuru is only worried about being lost three years ago but never mentions how anybody could have took the TPDD from her. And, Flanderization aside, Mikuru has good knowledge on time theories so she can't be stupid.

The only answer I can say is Mikuru just wasn't calm enough to think straight and things happened too fast for her. She first panicked from losing the TPDD, something that (for her and her knowledge of her training) shouldn't have been lost, then went to Yuki's place (remember, canon!Mikuru is afraid of her) and before she knew that she was forced into a soon-to-be-frozen-in-time room to sleep with Kyon. I think only after reaching home Mikuru could calm herself enough to think about that but the novels and anime only follow Kyon's perspective.

Side note: The third novel's official English translation also calls it a TPDD. We won't get the full wording until book 4 comes out, but the fact that they're using the same acronym means the official English name will probably be very close to the fan translation.

I'll leave this because I don't know if I'll be able to post on the forum the next days.

I've made a reference timeline for the fic [1]. However, I have trouble with the first week (the Tsuruya trials arc); specifically, I believe there's a mistake before Haruhi and Kyon went to Closed Space. Can someone see where's the error please?

and before she knew that she was forced into a soon-to-be-frozen-in-time room to sleep with Kyon

edited 4th Oct '10 4:11:54 AM by MarqFJA

@Filraen: Yes, I did mean Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, and I guess I can accept that argument. It's true that being stuck 3 years in the past really would throw most people off. Plus, the way she's canonically shown to communicate with her superiors supports that idea, so... yeah.

The timeline looks pretty good to me. I'll go over it again when I have more free time, and I'm not just killing time for 20 minutes waiting for class to start.

Ooh, timeline.

'So it is Deconstruction (Sasaki) vs. Reconstruction (Haruhi)? That sounds like a TV Tropes theme. In that caso I think the "end" of that conflict will consider the deconstruction and reconstruction is considered a cyclic process.'

Incomprehensible WMG paragraph. Can anyone here make sense of the second sentence?

Wait... someone asked what PPT means but I'm sure I only used that in a review... someone here is reading the reviews?

'So it is Deconstruction (Sasaki) vs. Reconstruction (Haruhi)? That sounds like a TV Tropes theme. In that caso I think the "end" of that conflict will consider the deconstruction and reconstruction is considered a cyclic process.'

I assume it means something to the effect of how their powers work. One removing powers and the other creating them by their respective ideals. The final solution is then considered a loop where powers are created and then destroyed as part of a natural cycle.

It's probably supposed to say: "In that case I think the "end" of that conflict will be that deconstruction and reconstruction are considered a cyclical process."

@Rainy Daze: I read the reviews all the time. I had a hunch that you were Silencian, but I wasn't entirely sure until someone asked what PPT was and you answered.

Actually, I had been wanting to ask that, too, until I saw someone here already did.

One more thing, is the line in Fanservice Arc Chapter 3, where it says "Should Makoto and Yoko be expecting a new little brother or sister, soon?" a mistake? I'm pretty sure the two names should be "Azusa and Yoko", since those two are the names of Shion's kids.

Also, at the beginning of Initial Conflict Chapter 1, it mentions a character named "Yurie". Who is that supposed to be? (I know that Rena's daughter is named Yurie, but this isn't that Yurie. This is from the scene where the entire brigade is at Tsuruya's house watching anime.)

edited 4th Oct '10 12:23:17 PM by thedarkfreak

Yes, I'm Silencian, the source of many long, rambling, and really pointless reviews full of strange comments. And an equally rambling profile page. But not on this site because I'm too lazy to do so at the moment.

Anyway, I'm guessing those are just accidents? Can't think of anything else it could be.

Hmm... who do you think spends more time on anime and the like, Haruhi or Tsuruya?

Also, has Tsuruya displayed the slightest hint of modesty throughout the course of this story? I can't remember.

Yeah, I figured they were just typos.

I enjoy reading your reviews, they'll often make a point that I've missed.

Hmm...between Haruhi and Tsuruya? Up front, and forced to guess, I'd say Tsuruya, but thinking about it more, it's hard to say.

And if by "modesty" you mean "caring if friends see her nude", then no, I don't think so. She's shown restraint, but not modesty. :P

Wait, I make coherent points in the things?

regard for decency of behavior, speech, dress, etc.

By that definition Tsuruya displays rather a lot of modesty, I think. But only in public. In private she appears to have about as much as Haruhi did at the beginning of Melancholy. Which makes it seem rather like a mask...

And my mind wandered at the end of that amusingly random scene and I wondered if it's even a boy that Sakanaka is interested in. XD'

Continuing that otherwise useless train of thought, I'd guess one of the ENOZ members, which would make things even weirder since they're no longer in school.

edited 4th Oct '10 1:09:52 PM by RainyDaze

^By that definition, I agree with you. In public, she is very modest(actually, now that I think about it, she didn't even want to kiss Kyon in the school out of fear of being caught). Alone with her friends, all bets are off.

That quote from your review made me laugh XD

And thinking about the 'Yurie' thing, I can't figure out who it's supposed to be. I thought it was Tsuruya, as it mentions 'she dragged herself across her family's living room...' Oh, sonofabitch. Yurie is a character in the show. I never caught the meaning of 'on the screen' until now. Jeez, I'm an idiot XD

^And yes, I realized that as I was typing it.

edited 4th Oct '10 1:14:28 PM by thedarkfreak

Well, that explains that confusion.

I think I worked out a possible answer to one of my own questions. Which somehow escaped my mind until I reread the whole review: Kyon's best subject is most likely English, given the Gratuitous English.

I'm not certain, but wasn't it said at one point in the story that English is Kyon's best subject? Or at least, one of them? I think it's Haruhi who says it.

EDIT: And while it might be an unlikely coincidence, does anyone think that the two cousins mentioned to have "run off" with someone else might have run off with each other? Both Kyon and Miyoko mention having an older cousin that they had a crush on, and both cousins ran off from their respective families "some years ago".

edited 4th Oct '10 5:11:46 PM by thedarkfreak

Seems narratively convenient, so yes.

I suppose the Law of Conservation of Detail would make it make sense. The only thing now is what it would actually mean; and the only thing I can think of is making any child of the pair related to both Miyoko and Kyon.

And that would mean... what?

No idea. My brain didn't think that far yet

The Haruhi substitute in this universe's Lucky Star is Trope-tan

So... what do you think about that WMG?

Tsuruya showing modesty: She was uncomfortable with the idea of making out with Yuki because they weren't that close of friends yet; that might count as modesty if you turn your head and squint. Course, she used the same breathe to say she could imagine herself doing the same with Haruhi or Mikuru.

So. I had a bit of a Fridge Horror moment earlier today. It depends on what you think was happening in Higurashi. If every 'new world' where Rika-tachi started over was just a new timeline that completely overwrote the old one, then everything's fine because they got to their happy end. But if every attempt was really an alternate dimension, as they implied in the series itself, things are a bit scarier. For every world where the Great Hinamizawa Disaster happened, Kyon's grandparents died in the disaster before his mother was born, which means Kyon was never born, which means every one of those worlds has a Haruhi Suzumiya who does *not* have a Kyon/John Smith to calm her down and teach her how not to be a jerkass.

Poor alternate universe Koizumis, trying to clean up that mess. T_T

edited 7th Oct '10 12:31:08 AM by Silver

For the 'The Haruhi substitute in this universe's Lucky Star is Trope-tan', I personally think that it needs more clarification than "Exactly What It Says On The Tin".

On a different note, I think that Sakanaka is aiming for Haruhi, presuming that she is actually aiming for a girl, and not Kyon .

Also, as to the "Fridge Horror", I would think that either Haruhi would of not of realized her powers (due to never meeting John Smith, and thus never would of gone to Kitago, and possibly her slowly accepting normalacy with a big frown), or she would of outright cause The End of the World as We Know It due to her boredom and a lack of Kyon to keep her in check...

So, it somewhat likely that some of those worlds may not even exist anymore, because of this. Although, would that make it even worse in terms of "Fridge Horror"? Hmmm...

edited 7th Oct '10 1:26:30 AM by MadKitsu