Dragon Age

Look. I think we can all agree that Dinosaur Week: Investigation was a pretty good game (or Discovery Channel Programming).

edited 28th Jan '15 4:11:57 PM by CobraPrime

That's probably true, but in the game itself, you can bring up the possibility, Cassandra shoots it down, and nothing more is said. Apparently, man-hating is the one tenet of the Chantry you absolutely cannot challenge. Why?

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

But the game sort of already tracks that for who's divine. It keeps track of what you say you'll fight for when you reach skyhold. It keeps track of if you're a believer or not.

Giselle does note that the Chantry only allowing women in is unfair if you ask about it in Haven, I think. She decided she had more important things to worry about like helping refugees and stuff so she never made an issue of it. That might have just been about excluding nonhumans though. I avoid talking to her because she annoys me a little.

I know the writers didn't want to allow the Inquisitor to become Divine in case someone was something like a male Qunari which would be completely unacceptable to the population of Thedas, but they could have allowed a few combinations to get the title. Like a female human can always get it but a female elf or male human can only manage it if they support certain decisions about Chantry dogma. Or a mage could get the position if they supported the mage rebellion.

No.

There are so many interpretations of what a player might want to do with becoming Divine. They could desire to change nothing, or change everything, or a handful of things, or maybe even have their own agenda that they aren't going to express.

And, no, The Player becoming Divine was not shot down because of male players; they even said that they had discussed it being possible but difficult to become Divine as a male, and even more so if you were a Male Mage Qunari.

But, its one thing to allow other races and genders into the Chantry; a completely different thing for them to suddenly be at the top of the food chain too.

And I think it would be for the best; it'd be already difficult for a Dwarf or Qunari to become Divine and I don't see a whole ton of players having the in-character motivation to do so. Additionally, it would mean appearances of the Divine in the future would have to be very well organized (4 voice tracks and models and etc.) compared to Leliana, Vivienne, or Cassandra.

edited 28th Jan '15 4:35:14 PM by InkDagger

Cassandra shoots you down even if you're a human, non-mage, Andraste-loving woman. There, her reasoning is that the Inquisitor is too volatile, or something like that.

edited 28th Jan '15 4:45:17 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

That's silly, the Warden could become King of Fereldan even if he had absolutely no legitimate claim to the throne.

No he couldn't. At all. He could become prince consort if he was a member of the most powerful non royal family in the country.

He did have a claim. Anora wanted the D.

And only if he makes a deal with the current queen.

And being elected Divine isn't something you can actively pursue. Even openly supporting one of the candidates only does so much to sway the council, or whoever's in charge of that stuff.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

It's really hard to deny Inquisition ISN'T full of SJW overtones, and even elements of misandry, especially considering shortly after/before Inquisition came out one of Bioware's highest devs admitted they were fans of Anita Sarkeesian. Nothin' suspicious there... Did no one else notice how they retconned Qunari canon, for example? Sten mentioned males and females of Qunari society have strict roles that can never be changed or questioned. Females forced to be the ones raising the young, males forced to be the ones marching to war. It gave the image of a cold, ruthless society, fanatically loyal to one universal doctrine. Inquisition? Nah, everyone's respected for what they do, and women fighting or men raising kids is totally acceptable and loved in happy-dappy Qunari land!

I miss Origins for that reason. No social messages one way or the other, just an RPG, like it was meant to be. The idea that games need to be platforms for social issues nowadays is completely unnecessary.

edited 28th Jan '15 5:48:03 PM by Jenaiqueserasera

"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."

Nope. Not at all.

The idea that anyone would consider game devs holding "SJW" viewpoints as "suspicious" seems silly in the first place, and I'm glad you agree.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

...And?

Considering there are a lot of franchises that laugh at the idea of playing as a female character or, better yet, a female person of color, I'll take DA having better representation over some bullshit like Assassin's Creed is pulling.

Except, they don't. They specifically address that WOMEN CANNOT FIGHT UNDER THE QUN. Men probably are not allowed to be care givers either. You cannot be a female and be a warrior. You can have one or the other but not both. Bull addresses this to Cassandra in Banter.

edited 28th Jan '15 5:50:18 PM by InkDagger

It is suspicious.

Particularly with SJW culture in recent video games and various aspects of media, developers and writers tend to skew their work in favor of SJW ideas in order to get in with the larger crowd. I don't care what people believe or what devs think is right. It's when those individuals start trying to cram their beliefs down my throat that I get agitated.

"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."

Yes. How dare proper representation of other genders and sexualites be put into games.

Games are art. All art has a message- whether the artist intended it or not. Games should no more be excluded from having a progressive or "SJW-y" message than books, or novels, or movies.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

Sure, they don't have to not have a message. But that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to criticize them when they do.

Take Dorian (I hope I've got his name right), for example. His entire character, literally everything about him, was designed around appealing to the homosexual crowd. He had 0 personality, 0 backstory, 0 anything beyond "oppressed closeted homosexual with homophobic father". That's what I don't like. I don't like that, very often, the "progressive" movement tries to force things like this into games. It can be done tastefully; Bethesda did a great job with Fallout 3 in making a very diverse cast without forcing anything on you, and those characters had some level of personality and individuality. They did not exist SOLELY to purvey a social message. In Inquisition, however, you get blokes like Dorian who have to shout "I'M GAY, DID YOU KNOW THAT I'M GAY" into your ear every few minutes.

edited 28th Jan '15 5:55:32 PM by Jenaiqueserasera

"By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion."

You... very clearly have not spent any time interacting with Dorian at all.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

...Wow. I cannot say anything less than you are a fool if you believe Dorian does nothing but shout 'I'M GAY' every 5 mins.

First off, its not even mentioned that he's gay until his personal quest. And before that there are A DOZEN conversations about life in Tevinter.

Second, he's far more a scholar and intellect before being 'I'M GAY'.

And what 'messages' are these games forcing down your throat? That gay people exist? Pansexuals? Transgender? Women of Color in positions of power and authority??? You keep saying 'SJW' messages and never clarifying and I think its because you have a horribly vague and disgusting opinion. I would go as far as to say that you think Dorian shouts 'I'M GAY' because that's all you can see him as.

The problem (or one of the problems really) with that viewpoint is that you think not including those ideas is somehow "neutral". It isn't. Not including minority characters is just as much an ideological decision as is including them.

And how is making a game more appealing to others a bad thing? It means they get more ressources for the next one. You're not forced to play as a woman or a LGBT character. You can still play a heterosexual white male. And if the mere inclusion of such characters is "forcing it upon you" how is including white heterosexual males not forcing them upon everyone else? That's just ridiculous.

If you don't like the mere presence of minorities upsets you, how do you work in real life? Also, if you dont like it you can play a shit ton of other games with no "SJW culture". That makes your entitled, exclusivist whining even more silly. There are tons of games exclusive for people like you. But you have to whine about the one game that is inclusive.

edited 28th Jan '15 6:09:38 PM by Antiteilchen

While he doesn't explicitly say it till then, he sort of severely hints at it so much you kinda have to be blind (Especially if you're a male) to miss it.

Still is my favorite companion though, and yeah, he's got far more depth than "I'm gay!".

edited 28th Jan '15 6:13:11 PM by CobraPrime

Especially since you have a flirt option with him.

Then again you have those with Cullen and Bull too.

Female Inquisitors have flirt options with him, too.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

Thing is he flirts with you pretty much no matter what :-P

Dorian is so flirty with female PCs that it's actually a surprise to my gals when he reveals he's not attracted to women at all (and I love that you can address that with him afterwards). So I disagree that he's waving any "I'M GAY" flag.