Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
Personally I feel like anything that is officially released or available in any capacity should be fair game. Maybe it shouldn't be troped alongside the work proper but I don't see why it would be banned. What separates a special-feature reveal of cut content from, say, a blooper reel? What separates Dummied Out content from regular glitches and other "hidden" game features?
Keep in mind I'm specifically talking about stuff that the creators themselves released, or stuff that is attached to the released product. Stuff that would technically count as a part of the released content.
Edited by WarJay77 on Apr 18th 2024 at 5:16:41 AM
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
the Retromancer
I was considering that soft-splitting to include all that as a "supplementary material" folder should be reasonable enough.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Angry babby
Not a fan of soft-splitting, especially if this would be a folder on a trope page that mixes media. The examples themselves can just specify that they're deleted content.
I'd say maybe a concrete limit of how far a scene needs to be in development might help, since ideas that never even made it past script phase are probably less close to "canon" than fully filmed/animated Deleted Scenes.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Personally, if it's made available by a creator or given an official release, I feel like it should just be considered a non-canon element of the story but still tropable, like a non-canon adaptation or Alternate Continuity on a smaller scale. And for video games, if it was once-canon and legitimately accessible, even if it's eventually patched out, isn't that just a Retcon?
If it's officially released content that one can view legitimately, I don't see why it should be restricted from having Moments pages. It feels adjacent to stuff like Fan-Preferred Cut Content where fans also have reactions to non-canon deleted material.
Figure of Hourai
If it was released at some point, or was present alongside the information released, I don't see why it's not tropeable. It's not like people are inventing things wholesale if they cover them. And, as noted, it introduces weird distinctions where something might be present on release and is then removed and only present in these sorts of extraneous materials.
Avatar Source
also a great deal of Dummied Out (deleted scenes, leftover code, assets, etc) stuff is:
- often included with DV Ds/Blu-Ray/released on social media
- gets alluded to/reused/explained in lieu of what was cut
- worst case scenario they were critical to the story and cut wholesale
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Apr 18th 2024 at 10:04:44 AM
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
Am I a weirdo?
My philosophy is that if it's released, we trope it, whether or not it's part of the work proper. However, there should definitely be an expectation that examples that come from cut content or supplementary materials should make it clear that they come from cut content or supplementary materials.
I agree that splitting off examples from supplementary material on trope pages doesn't make much sense. On work pages though, it might be logical to separate the tropes that come from the work proper, and tropes that come from the supplementary materials.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
the Retromancer
Useful Note
What about Montage Ends the VHS? Should that count?
Welcome to Corneria!
Last year I proposed a Marketing and Advertising subpage
that would focus on material external to a work ie "I watched the latest Star Wars movie" does not mean everyone is on the same page with the supplementary novels, comic books, action figures, deleted scenes or even a specific trailer. The page would cover all marketing material and tropes inside minor works too small to bother with a page, because there is a problem with tropes not present in the work but being piggybacked because there isn't anywhere else to put it. No doubt it would be one of the largest projects to undertake, but it was intended to just highlight the issue.
Bare minimum I think any tropes about marketing should be in trivia for that reason, as there is a conflict between Never Trust a Trailer and Missing Trailer Scene with one being trivia and the other a main trope.
Do you not know that in the service one must always choose the lesser of two weevils!
Figure of Hourai
Way too confusing once you start folderising tropes for other reasons imo. And the boundaries of what's supplementary in different works is prone to shifting—e.g. some games are going to have Dummied Out content intentionally.
Avatar Source
Previous Wiki Talk thread: Can we trope what happens in deleted content?
See this
and this discussion
for reference, but we had these questions before.
The question is if content not present in the work explicitly still counts as tropable content in the same manner as the main content and can have associated Moments. The treatment may wary. This includes:
- Bonus Material
- All There in the Manual
- Deleted Scene
- What Could Have Been
- Dummied Out
- Trailers, posters and promotional websites
- Associated short Adobe Flash games
- Merchandise, pamphlets and associated goodies
- Physical descriptions of books, like the backcover illustration.
- Animatics and Concept Art
- Content patched out by an official update
- Interviews and disclosed behind the scenes information
- Disclosed private beta tests
- Information only present in game's files or code
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup