Disambig redirects

This was brought on by the new (and VERY welcome) change that makes disambig pages show up with a green link. See: Bald Of Awesome or The One.

I noticed that the link color change doesn't extend to redirects of disambigs. See: Widow Woman (a disambig) and Determined Widow (a redirect to the disambig). This is likely because redirects are of the redirect page type and not the disambig page type.

So what should be done about these disambig redirects? Leaving them as is, is problematic now that we have a clear "this is a disambig" link color. To newer people, keeping the disconnect would reinforce the idea that not green = not a disambig so all good to use.

We could cut the redirects, but this would mean we'd lose the inbounds to those pages.

We could turn the redirects into disambig pages in their own right and remove the redirect altogether, but that would mean finding and converting all of these redirects. (though to be fair, cutting the redirects would also require us to at least locate them all).

Thoughts?

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 14th 2023 at 2:26:47 PM

The redirects to disambigs aren't working so that at least needs to be fixed.

I think making the redirects into disambigs is the type of redundancy I wouldn't like but I guess we can do that if there's no better options.

I'm against cutting redirects to multi-option pages as they exist for search convenience. If they need to be green I'd rather have Determined Widow be own disambig page and have some part of Widow Woman copied.

This also ties again to the issue of "inbounds don't show us recent use". I've agreed to the argument that we have to keep inbounds, but if we decide to cut redirects "after some time has passed", then we don't have to limit it to disambig redirects.

It also would be less of an issue if the green text was tied to the index placement and not the pagetype, as we could make something like YMMV Redirects.

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 14th 2023 at 9:37:32 PM

How many inbounds do they even draw in? Because if it's not a lot, I'd rather just cut. I feel like having redirects to defunct pages is kinda silly and the fact that they aren't greenshifted means they could cause confusion.

In general, I don't really care either way how this goes, but I will say, several older tropes were disambig'd in TRS over cutting almost solely on the back of preserving inbounds. It matters less now that disambigs have their own colors like cut pages but I feel like the logic behind preserving versus cutting remains the same: better to have links to the site that encourage more time on the site because it points you elsewhere rather than our version of a 404 page.

In other words, I don't think it makes all that much sense to try to adjudicate between which inbounds matter more versus others in terms of what's worth keeping vs disambig-ing, or rather, it'd be too hard to tell anyways. As Amonimus said, if we're going to decide that we're cool with cutting pages, inbounds be damned, then that's not really exclusive to redirects and we should maintain consistency to avoid having an overly complicated policy.

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 15th 2023 at 4:20:03 AM

Also... it seems like redirects to green-link pages are broken at the moment?

Yeah, they are. I brought that up but I don't think anyone noticed. I brought it up with the staff as a whole but haven't gotten a response yet.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 15th 2023 at 9:21:39 AM

oh, cool! let's keep the thread open til then just in case, tho

If fixing disambig redirects will also make them green (even if redirects don't have disambig pagetype?) then I guess that solves the topic. Unless the broader talk if disambig pages need redirects is still needed.

Edited by Amonimus on Apr 15th 2023 at 10:42:35 PM

So I'm not trying to pressure the admins or call anyone out, but we were told the redirect issue along with changing redirects to match the color of disambigs would be addressed last Monday and it's still ongoing. That's fine, these things take a while to fix, but this was kind of what I expected and why I think we should do something now on our end to address the sitution of at least the disjointedness of disambig redirects since we can't be sure if/when the issue will be fixed.

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 25th 2023 at 12:22:21 PM

We could change the Page Type of the redirects to Disambig, that'll make them Green, at least?

Edited by Malady on Apr 25th 2023 at 9:30:15 AM

That's a lot of redirects to hunt for, though.

The disambig redirects are queued so they get fixed eventually even if it didn't happen last week. I don't have any ideas the situation so I'd rather wait until then.

Edited by MacronNotes on Apr 25th 2023 at 1:11:45 PM