Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Cut Acgnologia
Cut Acnologia and the Keeper if she lacks agency.
No power in the ‘verse can stop me.
Abstaining on the Keeper, but I'm happily cutting Acnologia.
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
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SCP rewrite
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Cut Acnologia. His hypocrisy is too much for his FE to be mitigating, but those final moments seem to do the trick.
As for RK: Do Revenants KNOW they lose agency? Or do they willingly do so for power? The loyalty thing, OTOH, may be disqualifying regardless.
Edited by ACW on Apr 22nd 2024 at 10:02:22 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Lord of Space
Little rewrite for Mirage since there's a little error in her entry.
- Aladdin: The Series: Mirage is evil incarnate, devoted only to proliferating misery and destroying all that is good. As an early testament to her evil, Mirage orders a village and its population incinerated in her debut just because of the crops they grow for the surrounding land. Mirage's plots range from the grandiose to the sadistically petty, everything from attempting to have all of Agrabah destroyed and brewing up civil wars for fun, to trying to destroy Aladdin and Jasmine's love for each other by slowly transforming Jasmine into a snake. Mirage even tempts children into her clutches, promising them immortality in exchange for becoming the monstrous El-Katib, a process she neglects to mention entails their eternal servitude in a dark void with release only
every three yearsthree nights every seven years. Mirage has no issue abandoning the El-Katib to die, coldly leaving them all to perish in the sunlight when one of them finally defies her.
Showtime!
Cut Acnologia and the Keeper
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Not the Eye
Cut Acnologia and Raven Keeper
Goku Black
cut anco (guess we need a new page image. Jackal should have something) and keeper
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Actually, speaking of the Fairy Tail page with Acno gone the page is down to 7 entries, do we want to keep the page anymore?
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
Ah. Shoot. The writer of Draco Azul reached out to thank me for giving the series a TV Tropes page, but mentioned that Star Slinger's name doesn't have a "the" in front of it. Was gonna go into the drafts to make the edit, but it seems it's already been moved.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Just fix it in the Sandbox and YMMV and request the changes at the locked pages thread. (EDIT: Nevermind, I got it.)
And I'm fine keeping the FT page with 7.
Edited by ACW on Apr 22nd 2024 at 2:30:06 PM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
I’m cool with keeping the Fairy Tail page
In honor of Akira Toriyama
Jogo
I'd be fine keeping the Fairy Tale page, as there are still 7 entries on the page.
"Stand Proud, Sukuna, you are strong" | He/Him
Speaking of the Fairy Tail page, I noticed a typo on that page where in the initial description, the "redeem" link is Face–Heel Turn when it should be Heel–Face Turn. Can someone fix that up?
You've been kicked out of the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. :(
Isn’t that Jackal in the current pic? It’s been a minute but he’s the guy who loves blowing people up lol
Goku Black
Oh it might actually be jackal?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
It does appear to be him, after comparing his appearance to the figure in the page image.
Does anyone have any thoughts on my Time After Time post from yesterday? (See #13328)
Fanfiction proponent
I would prefer the Fairy Tail monster section is kept, especially since 100 Years Quest is still ongoing. It would be nice if a good enough villain fills the void Acnologia will leave behind.
Also, on the Sonic monster section, is there any particular reason why Captain Metal has his own folder under "Universe" when he got his big break in the Post-Genesis Wave timeline? Even if his origins are from before, I do not think simply fighting Shadow from Moebius to the Sol Zone and the world of Sonic X in-between is heinous enough.
Edited by AwarenessBringer on Apr 22nd 2024 at 7:20:16 AM
I also write fanfiction.
- The character of John Leslie Stevenson from Time After Time is considered a CM and with good reason given that he's Jack the Ripper. But there are a couple of moments towards the end that give me pause. When HG Wells gets down on his knees and pleads for John to spare the life of his girlfriend Amy, John briefly lowers the knife he'd been holding at Amy's throat. He then brings it back up and says "I'm sorry" with a pained expression on his face, almost as if he is aware that he cannot help himself from indulging his sadistic impulses. Moments later, Amy manages to break free from his grasp. John shrugs this off and does not go after her. Instead, he climbs into HG's time machine and is about to activate it when HG grabs hold of a device that John knows will destroy him. He gives a curt nod to HG who then uses the device. At least one other troper has interpreted this nod as John knowing that he's a monster who deserves to be destroyed. The page for the film suggests that he's essentially saying "Get on with it" so I guess there are multiple ways to interpret it. These moments are probably not enough for a cut but I do think they are worth mentioning.
The scene from Time After Time
Out of context, it seemed like John was acting in a combination of Pragmatic Villainy and Face Death with Dignity, how much he cared for the MC / consider the MC a friend is probably on the questionable side
Someone else will have to weigh on on this, haven't seen the movie myself
Honestly that looks almost like he let her go, taking it all into account I'm inclined to say cut John.
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I think so too. I'm hard pressed to think of another CM who hesitated and/or apologized when asked to back down and then (albeit accidentally) let their victim go.
Edited by LarryMullen on Apr 23rd 2024 at 12:38:57 PM
Cut Raven Keeper and Acnologia
On an unrelated note, I have some changes I want to make to my writeup for SCP-6618-A:
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. Having kidnapped James Vane, "Papa" subjects him to severe psychological and physical torture under the guise of "disciplining" Vane, causing a slow regression in the latter's mental state. After Vane attempts to escape his abuser, "Papa" punishes him by repeatedly throwing him to the floor, heavily injuring his body, while also gaslighting Vane into thinking "Papa" loves him. When the Foundation investigates "Papa's" cabin, they find boxes filled with other SCP-6618 instances, televisions displaying similair videos to the ones on SCP-6618 and a pit containing at least several hundred corpses, Vane's among them. All of these corpses are wailing like infants, even after some of them have rotted away, with others being crushed to the point of near liquification and granularization, and are only able to cry for their Papa, who has
"Stand Proud, Sukuna, you are strong" | He/HimSCP-6618-A, also known as "Papa","Papa" is the entity behind SCP-6618already escaped the Foundation's grasplong since left his "babies" to rot.