What tropes should be DiscreditedTrope but aren't yet?

I'm thinking possibly:

• A Real Man Is a Killer: Due to societal changes it's not as easy to pull off any more.
• Black-and-White Morality: Unless it's a work aimed at kids or a long-running franchise, newer works tend to go for Grey-and-Grey Morality or occasionally Good vs. Good, characters being solely defined as good and evil is now.
• Black Is Bigger in Bed: Racist, and Society Marches On means it can't be played straight anymore.
• Casting Couch: Less common since the Me Too revelations of 2017.
• Club Kid: Outside of fashion marketing itself as such on online marketplaces, largely seen as homophobic if you use the original use of the term.
• Dean Bitterman: In reality, due to employment laws, an actual one would have been fired long ago.
• Embarrassing Slide: Because Technology Marches On, this has now gone digital, mostly; unless it's a Period Piece work.
• Picture Day: Not entirely discredited, but not as common now in modern works.
• Sinister Minister: Due to Real Life scandals making this Not So Crazy Anymore.
• Where Everybody Knows Your Flame: Most gay clubs in reality aren't like this, and with closures since the 2010s and greater LGBT awareness, it's not as common.
• Wizard Classic: Not the archetype as a whole, but the pointy hat, long flowing beard and robes, as wizard races and society are shown more and Society Marches On (well, in terms of depiction anyhow)... If it does appear, it's usually for parody or Grandfather Clause reasons.

Any more you think should be on Discredited Trope ?

Edited by Merseyuser1 on Sep 4th 2021 at 12:05:40 PM

Isn't Sinister Minister quite common in fiction even now?

Why would it be Discredited?

Sinister Minister as in showing them as 2-D villains or Static Characters; not showing them as villains with motives and a Back Story.

Maybe a degree of difference, but still... YMMV.

• Black-and-White Morality: I feel like this is a trope that's too broad to say it's truly discredited.

• Casting Couch: This trope has always primarily been portrayed as sleazy and exploitative. I'm also sure that post Me Too! there are plenty of works that examined this trope.

• Dean Bitterman: Tropes are about stuff that stuff that happen in fiction. While this may be unlikely in real life, if it still happens in fiction, it isn't discredited.

• Picture Day: Just because a trope is used less, doesn't mean it is discredited.

• Sinister Minister: Evil clergymen still show up in fiction, especially since the revelations of clerical child abuse.

The vast majority of The Moral Substitute use Black-and-White Morality, as well as works for all ages.

The current description relies on the Animation Age Ghetto and Nostalgia Filter, while ignoring The Moral Substitute and newer secular works for all ages.

Therefore, Black-and-White Morality is far from being discredited for the same reason The Moral Substitute is not a discredited trope.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Sep 4th 2021 at 12:17:31 PM

Makes sense now.

As for the other ones, would they qualify or not?

Black-and-White Morality is way too broad to be discredited and it’s a tool just like any other trope. There’s nothing wrong with a classic tale of good versus evil if the writing stacks up.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Sep 6th 2021 at 10:27:56 AM

No doubt about that.

Only edgelords would consider Black-and-White Morality a Discredited Trope.

It's no longer listed under Discredited Trope for obvious reasons. It's too broad and good-versus-evil stories are still usually popular, regardless of demographic.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Sep 6th 2021 at 11:58:56 AM

There's this:

• Appointment Television: In this day and age of DVRs, TiVo, On Demand, the omnipresence of web-based streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, and Disney+, or buying whole seasons on DVD and Blu-ray or services like iTunes, people can watch their favorite TV shows pretty much any time they want to. They are no longer at the mercy of the networks' schedules, and missing an episode is no longer The End of the World as We Know It (Incidentally, this has also done away with networks euphemistically dubbing repeats "Another chance to see"). Period Pieces set in the mid-2000s or earlier can get away with this, however.

Live sporting events are still extremely popular and are definitely an example of Appointment Television. In fact, live sporting events (especially the Olympics, the FIFA World Cup, and the Super Bowl) are consistently the most popular television programs, much more so than any scripted television program.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Sep 6th 2021 at 12:03:37 PM

i think Dean Bitterman isn't discredited, but the "classic" iteration of it (the absurd villain who wants to stop Wacky Fratboy Hijinx at all costs) is definitely not in style anymore. you'll still find surly principals/headmasters/deans in fiction, though, the same as you'll still find Mean Bosses even though they would also realistically be fired. it's just a common combination of character traits, an authority figure with disdain for those below them, so it'll never truly fade away