Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
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Then it can be merged back in my opinion.
DCAU Wonder Woman is only 26,582 bytes. Why is it a page?
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Professor Gigachad
Not sure probably can be merged back.
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Okay do pages about two characters count as Character-Specific?
Because I just tried to clean up space on The Legend of Korra - Allies by making a shared one for The Legend of Korra - Varrick and Zhu Li. But I didn't capitalize the and. Is there a way to fix that?
Edited by Bullman on Jul 16th 2021 at 11:22:34 AM
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Professor Gigachad
I remember that the Ash and Pikachu page was removed for not being about one character so I don't think so. Though I guess we don't have a consensus on that.
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Weird because Mortal Kombat – Shinnok and Quan Chi and SUMC Eddie Brock Venom are both listed. Both those are technically about two characters. We need to figure out if they count or not.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 16th 2021 at 11:32:56 AM
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Professor Gigachad
I didn't put Mortal Kombat – Shinnok and Quan Chi on there someone else must have.
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"Duo-Specific Pages" Yeah idk
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Professor Gigachad
Well there is a Character Team Specific Pages draft so maybe that could be used.
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I know I checked the history.
I personally don't see a difference between that and Star Wars – Darth Vader and Servants.
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Akame ga Kill! - Akame (~25,000)
Akame ga Kill! - Night Raid (~125,000)
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:38:44 AM
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Someone said they were gonna do an Undertale cleanup?
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There's already a cleanup thread for Undertale, but it's stagnant right now.
Well a character page would very much be dictated by the work itself. It also has to do with how popular said work is as to how it gets built up in the process.
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Anymore opinions on if a page for two characters count as this. Personally I say it's easier two count that then say Star Wars – Darth Vader and Servants. But that could just be me.
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Professor Gigachad
I don't personally have a problem with it.
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There was a post on the Undertale cleanup thread saying that some of the character pages were being merged or cut for being too small?
I went through and checked the pages to see which ones were an issue, with the assumption that 6,000 words is the cutoff point:
- The Human Child: 9,367 words/54,000 bytes
- Flowey: 11,166 words/64,000 bytes
- Toriel: 4,916 words/28,000 bytes
- Sans: 23,328 words/134,000 bytes
- Papyrus: 9,904 words/57,000 bytes
- Undyne: 9,420 words/55,000 bytes
- Alyphs: 4,295 words/25,000 bytes
- Mettaton: 7,300 words/42,000 bytes
- Asgore Dreemur: 6,598 words/37,000 bytes
- Other characters: 11,542 words/69,000 bytes
- Monster encounters: 9,882 words/61,000 bytes
- Spoiler characters: 7,048 words/42,000 bytes
- The Anomaly: 5,610 words/32,000 bytes
- Asriel Dreemur: 4,834 words/28,000 bytes
- The Fallen Human: 15,768 words/93,000 bytes
We're still in the process of cleaning up the main Undertale tropes page and moving characters-specific tropes to the character pages and cutting misuse, so the exact numbers are subject to change, but this is the general situation.
Edited by Orbiting on Jul 17th 2021 at 2:40:04 PM
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It'd not so much words but bytes 40,000 bytes or 7000 words. Either way the same pages are the ones that need discussion.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 17th 2021 at 12:42:20 PM
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How do you measure the number of bytes a page has?
Asriel Dreemur and the Anomaly can be merged with the Spoiler characters page without issue I would think.
Not sure where to put Toriel and Alphys though.
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Bytes are roughly similar in number to characters
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Every letter is a character and every character is roughly one byte.
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Thank you both! I've added byte counts to my post above.
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Death Note - Near (3,000 words/19,000 Characters)
Death Note – Main Characters (18,000 words/112,000 characters)
Easy merge, right?
Edited by IkeaHan on Jul 17th 2021 at 12:13:15 PM
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The Street Fighter 2 page is about 120,000 characters. Even with Chun there, she'd only be like a seventh of that.
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