Asshole Victim Cleanup

The following example was re-added to Tomoo's entry in Characters.Elfen Lied, despite being removed several times in the past:

• Asshole Victim: Let’s face it- he really deserved to die, and that’s exactly what happened.

Does it count?

Edited by gjjones on Nov 19th 2023 at 9:39:12 AM

I wouldn't think so, because the main purpose of the first subplot involving him in his pre-specter days (IIRC) is building up to his eventual death, without him necessarily causing trouble and then getting it thrown back at him—one of the things that would make him a victim (rather than his death purely being revenge-based). Plus it's a zero context example.

Edited by Coachpill on Nov 19th 2023 at 4:25:56 AM

I was the one who added that trope. I’m very sorry that it does not count and that I may have upset you. I have added a notice to Tomoo’s folder telling others not to add the trope.

No hard feelings, just wanted to check.

Edited by gjjones on Nov 21st 2023 at 3:16:46 PM

On WesternAnimation.Shrek 1 (history is here), the Asshole Victim trope was removed since the Karmic Death sub-trope was already listed, but a few days ago, it was readded. Since I don't want to get involved in an edit war, does the example fit?

I think it fits since Farquaad didn't have any reason to believe Dragon would turn on him.

Spy X Family has these two, which I’m unsure of:

• Asshole Victim: Quite a few:
  • Since it wouldn't look very good to introduce our protagonist as shamelessly dumping a woman, reasons be damned, said woman is deliberately portrayed as the kind of person Twilight would never really care about- vain, shallow and the daughter of a criminal. For (probably unintentional) bonus points, her name is Karen.
  • To keep Yuri from seeming too villainous despite working for the Secret Police, the first person the SSS is shown interrogating, while not evil, is shown with no redeeming qualities whatsoever and shamelessly admits that he was passing information to Westalis spies solely to bankroll his numerous affairs on his wife.

So in Succession: Roman Roy, his Asshole Victim entry was added to with this:

• It's confirmed that Logan used to hit Roman when he was kid and is still willing to hit him as an adult, and he's implied to have been a victim of sexual abuse.

Now I don't really get Asshole Victim, but my thought is it's a trope where the victim "had it coming"? I might be wrong, but if so, this entry makes me very uneasy.

This example was added to Julio's section in Characters.Cross Ange Misurugi Empire:

• Asshole Victim: Getting vaporized by a Wave-Motion Gun is a horrible way to die, but after everything he's done, it's hard to say he didn't have it coming.

I wonder if this one fits?

That lacks context. "everything he's done" could refer to anything from mass murder to a lifetime of volunteering at soup kitchens.