Is this tropable?

I'd like to make a TLP for when someone, like, literally cries a river (like in Alice in Wonderland), but I'm worried it's too similar to Ocular Gushers.

I'm more concerned that it's too rare to find even four examples. (I know the limit for starting a page is three examples, not four, but one would hope that at least one more example be added at some point.)

I think it might be different. It's definitely worth a shot of running it through TLP. Do you have a link to a video?

Also, how many examples do you have "ready"?

Lately, I've noticed people have started bombing fresh articles for having three examples or insufficient description or red links (doesn't matter these are allowed for works that don't have a TV Tropes page (yet)). Honestly, the TLP process is getting ridiculous. It seems to me that people don't tolerate anything other than almost-launcheable for new drafts. (Or alternatively, just good tropeworthy ideas they really like will do. In these cases, almost anything gets hatted with no concern for the description or number of examples.)

When did TLP stop being used to gradually build the page, make it better and polish it for launch? (Ok, now I realized I exaggerate but only a little.)

The point of my rant is — have the draft prepared very carefully. So many potentially good ideas get shot down almost immediately, and it makes me feel sad. TLP used to be my favourite spot on the wiki. Now I'm not sure why I still care.

Edited by XFllo on Nov 27th 2019 at 12:44:23 PM

Eh, typically the issue with red-link infested drafts is that the drafts are years old ones littered in examples that haven't been namespaced, and because they've been floating around for ages without anyone bothering to give them a little TLC, bombs at that point are more just to discard and restart, rather than try and make a poorly formatted draft work. It's rare for a brand new draft to be covered in red-links.

At the same time, a lot of poorly-made new drafts are made by people who don't even bother to come back afterward, spending all of five seconds typing a description and then disappearing into the void. When you're used to this sort of thing happening, it's hard to tell when a sponsor is and isn't planning to come back and actually work on the draft, so often the only thing to do is discard those drafts.

Edited by WarJay77 on Nov 27th 2019 at 6:52:18 AM

That's fair and you have a point about old drafts and low-effort drafts.

However, just last week this has happened with a draft that was fresh, fairly okay, and most importantly, the OP intended to work on it and was willing to discuss any issues. The draft got many bombs, almost without any reasons. One reason doubted tropeablility because there are only three examples. On one-day-old draft. :-/ The draft collected many bombs really quickly (I think the first few bombs just swung others) and I don't really wonder that the OP discarded it. But it could have been a thing.

Then again, it was about clothes, and we have a hold for meaningful appearance tropes anyway.

Edited by XFllo on Nov 27th 2019 at 1:01:28 PM

I remember that and yeah, that was wrong, though I feel people discarded it more for general tropability reasons (as it wasn't that distinct from other underwear tropes) rather than the draft itself- but I do agree it was excessive.

Maybe we could send notifiers to the sponsors?

You mean notifiers to sponsors who abandon their drafts? Well, it's not forbidden to lose an interest... and with all those very old drafts, the OP's are often not around anymore. But I don't know, perhaps it's worth a shot.

Not around as in they've quit the site?

Yes. For example, their accounts might be technically active but they have no recent edits.

To be fair, I thought it was one of those old drafts that had over half a decade to gain examples (I never checked time stamps until recently), and I restored the draft to make up for it. Why did this thread become a general discussion about TLP instead of focusing on the main idea?

Edited by EarthboundFan on Dec 28th 2019 at 11:55:09 AM