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While working on fixing the definition of Designated Love Interest, a few of us tropers came to realization that Relationship Writing Fumble might need a rework as well. Relationship Writing Fumble is currently defined as a platonic relationship coming off as romantic to fans. When we were looking at Designated Love Interest we found many examples of Designated Love Interest (a romantic relationship coming off as platonic) being listed on Relationship Writing Fumble instead. I've also noticed there are examples that have nothing to do with romance at all but are instead just fans misunderstanding writer intent with backstories and how characters relate to each other in general.

We touched on ways to try to improve the trope in that other thread and considered a few solutions:

- Changing the name of Relationship Writing Fumble to something emphasizing that this is about platonic relationships being mistaken as romantic.

- There might be a Missing Supertrope about writers accidentally implying different relationships between characters than what was intended, which is why people are dumping those kinds of examples on Relationship Writing Fumble.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 15th 2022 at 8:39:58 AM

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#1: Mar 1st 2019 at 12:31:44 PM

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    Original post 
While working on fixing the definition of Designated Love Interest, a few of us tropers came to realization that Relationship Writing Fumble might need a rework as well. Relationship Writing Fumble is currently defined as a platonic relationship coming off as romantic to fans. When we were looking at Designated Love Interest we found many examples of Designated Love Interest (a romantic relationship coming off as platonic) being listed on Relationship Writing Fumble instead. I've also noticed there are examples that have nothing to do with romance at all but are instead just fans misunderstanding writer intent with backstories and how characters relate to each other in general.

We touched on ways to try to improve the trope in that other thread and considered a few solutions:

- Changing the name of Relationship Writing Fumble to something emphasizing that this is about platonic relationships being mistaken as romantic.

- There might be a Missing Supertrope about writers accidentally implying different relationships between characters than what was intended, which is why people are dumping those kinds of examples on Relationship Writing Fumble.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 15th 2022 at 8:39:58 AM

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#2: Apr 9th 2019 at 5:46:23 PM

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#3: Apr 9th 2019 at 6:01:34 PM

I'd say make a supertrope named Relationship Writing Fumble, then move the current information on Relationship Writing Fumble to a new name.

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#4: Apr 9th 2019 at 6:01:44 PM

I put a crowner in the other thread related to this one.

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#5: Apr 13th 2019 at 1:53:42 PM

I mean... The crowner ought to be on TRS.

And obviously "relationship" is a pre-existing term. It does not merely refer to romantic relationships. The problem seems to be that it's a/the missing supertrope.

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#6: Apr 13th 2019 at 2:49:13 PM

I agree with renaming this and reusing the name for a new supertrope.

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#7: Apr 15th 2019 at 10:11:58 AM

I voted on the crowner in the other thread, but I also agree we should create a supertrope and rename Relationship Writing Fumble.

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#8: Apr 15th 2019 at 11:44:57 AM

Can someone provide a courtesy link to this other thread and also the crowner?

If the crowner is for Relationship Writing Fumble, it ought to be listed in this discussion, no...?

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#9: Apr 15th 2019 at 11:48:56 AM

[up] Here's the link.

The crowner as I remember it wasn't for Relationship Writing Fumble, one of the ideas just happened to be adding a super-trope along with the voted-upon Designated Love Interest reforms.

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#10: Apr 15th 2019 at 3:32:48 PM

The other crowner.

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#11: May 15th 2019 at 10:55:42 PM

Clock is set.

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#12: May 15th 2019 at 11:01:58 PM

I think the crowner is ready and the votes are unanimously positive.

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#13: Jun 16th 2019 at 8:41:42 AM

I've hollered for the crowner to be called.

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#14: Jun 16th 2019 at 12:03:31 PM

Looks like it's called already.

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#15: Jun 16th 2019 at 12:19:46 PM

For some reason it looked like I could still vote earlier today. At any rate, Sandbox.Relationship Writing Fumble is up, a quick draft for the supertrope option. Someone will need to make a draft for the transplanted trope before it can be moved over.

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#16: Jun 27th 2019 at 9:44:38 PM

I updated the sandbox today.

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#17: Jul 10th 2019 at 1:41:18 PM

So we need to go TLP the new draft, or...?

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#18: Jul 10th 2019 at 2:55:08 PM

I added a bit to the draft, but I think for the most part it's okay as long as everyone says it's good to go.

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#19: Jul 10th 2019 at 6:43:55 PM

I know I've seen Fan-Preferred Couple in TRS before, do we correctly describe the updated definition in the sandbox?

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#21: Jul 18th 2019 at 4:17:33 PM

So we're doing all three green options, right?

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#22: Jul 18th 2019 at 4:18:49 PM

Yes. We just need to get moving on it.

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#23: Jul 18th 2019 at 10:55:11 PM

I can't think of any names, but I like the one that's already been posted.

Edit: Actually, I thought of a name. Maybe Designated Platonicity could work as a counterpart to Designated Love Interest.

Edit: Or maybe Supposedly Platonic Relationship, or Allegedly Platonic Relationship.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 18th 2019 at 1:32:07 PM

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#24: Jul 18th 2019 at 10:56:26 PM

Seems a little clunky, but I can't think of anything better.

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#25: Jul 18th 2019 at 11:02:04 PM

I edited my post to have some suggestions of my own.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 18th 2019 at 1:32:16 PM

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12th Jun '22 11:03:27 PM

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Consensus was to rename Friendship Writing Fumble due to issues with the name (particularly, the fact that it can refer to platonic relationships other than friendships, such as familial ones). What should its new name be?

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