Sword Art Online Alternative: Gun Gale Online

Considering who she might be, she may have a lot of money and clout to keep the general public mum from this.

Pito's a griefer at worst. She enjoys playing in her way even if it makes the game less fun for others. Which is awful. Death to all griefers.

Seriously though, I'm not sure how the idea that she's a bad person even matters at all here. She still shouldn't kill herself. Like Karen said when she first learned about it, she needs to see a psychiatrist. And that's what Karen's goal is here, indirectly.

Everyone is taking GGO way too seriously. Especially Pitou, who seriously needs to see a psychiatrist.

Why was someone who doesn't even like shooting people in the game about shooting people? I have to say tho, I got a good laugh when that chick almost killed Pitou. Would've been an amazing conclusion.

Man, why is everyone so bad at this game? You would think that this event would actually gather some good players, but everyone just kind of sucks.

Everyone is grandads who think video games involve video tapes or something.

Well, they are group of hunters. GGO gave them opportunity hunt in enviroment they normally wouldn't and using weapon they don't have access. But because it's indeed Pv P oriented game other members did wanted try it too and goaded her into it.

It's the second time this event happened, so I guess some cruddy playing should be expected. Or maybe the good players are off playing better designed games.

Cause again, what kind of game company needs an outsider to suggest a team tournement? Don't we already have such things now, even on console games, like Halo or any other somewhat modern FPS?

I'm not really buying the "it's only the second Squad Jam" line. The game has been out for over a year, so even if team play hasn't quite solidified yet, you'd think there'd be at least a good amount of individually strong players who think to check their six every once in a while.

It was explicitly stated that the first Squad Jam did not have any players from the Bullet of Bullet tournaments in it. The closest we've gotten is Pito who was (going by what the novel readers have said) taken out by Sinon herself in the most recent BoB preliminaries. Heck the first Squad Jam didn't even have any preliminaries.

So apart from one or two exceptions (LLEN and Pito) we're not dealing with Gun Gale Online's top tier players. And even the exceptions aren't at the top of bracket. And even then it's hard to judge their actual level. LLEN is untested and while she was taken out by the winner of the tournament, technically Pito never made it past the preliminaries so exactly how well she'd do in BoB is uncertain.

And as for needing an outside suggestion, given Zeskar puts a lot of emphasis on BoB it may be they're not sure that the player base will have enough support for both tournament styles.

It should also noted that rewards for winners ate much less attractive in SJ then Bo B.

This is the second Squad Jam that does have preliminaries. Just how few players does GGO have that, after eliminating BOB participants, they couldn't scrounge up enough half-decent people to fill out one event?

edited 18th Jun '18 10:44:09 PM by Kayeka

It's also restricted to the Japanese servers where as Bullet of Bullet is open to North American platers which is where the majority of GGO's player base are.

So yeah, we're only dealing with a subset of a subset of GGO's players to start with. Going by what those who have read the novels have said, the quality of the competition does start rising with each iteration (taking the ability of All Japan Machine Gun Scrubs Lovers to get in as a yardstick).

edited 19th Jun '18 1:02:40 AM by KnightofLsama

Japan is a country with a deceptively large population and a serious appetite for online play. I expect a game of this scale to pull at least one hundred thousand active players in Japan alone. In addition, SJ 2 is an official, highly publicized event with qualifiers, and literally the only thing going on in GGO right now. And still there are people getting in who have literally never touched the game before.

I'm sure the books provide a perfectly good reason as to why all the decent to good players are simultaneously out for lunch and missing out on all the fun and exposure in order to justify their Sorting Algorithm of Competition, but I find that doesn't fit with how I understand competitive gaming to work.

But, as much as I enjoy arguing about this stuff, I think we've argued past the rather important point of why this is a problem. The fact of the matter is that the stupidly low level of play means that LLENN is in no danger whatsoever. This goes beyond the expected amount of Protagonist Plot Armor. We have no reason to believe that any of this chaff is a proper threat, meaning that everything that happens between the start of the tournament and LLENN's confrontation with Pito is bubblegum filler. Seriously, that one sex offender didn't even have a weapon. How in the world did he lose his weapon? Didn't he even have a handgun or a combat knife? Just what is the point of any of this?

Heck, LLENN thinks so little of her competition that the only team member she brought on is Fukaziroh, who just so happens to be one of those "never touched the game before" players, without even so much as an impromptu recruitment drive ("Everyone who wants to form a team with the current SJ champ, please line up and make your case!"). Try pulling that in a Silver ranked Overwatch match, and tell me how that worked out.

We're supposed to look at LLENN and Pito blowing past the competition and be impressed, but to me, it just looks like they are sealclubbing, and it is really boring to watch.

edited 19th Jun '18 6:00:57 AM by Kayeka

Yeah, the fact that Fukaziroh can just get into the game and after a short training be better than most of the contestants is embarrassing.

Converting your account transfers your stats to the new game. That's why she has such obscene vitality.

I'd also imagine that very people have enough strength to dual wield grenade launchers.

But yeah, it's a little silly that she practiced for a few hours or whatever and is now the best grenadier on the server.

It"s not that surprising, given bullet lineless shooting is still obscure and probably no one even tried do this kind of weapon before. Granade launcher itseld doesn't seem to be popular weapon either which is not that surprising.

That said I think you guys grossly exaggerate lack of competency in this tournament. So far there wasn't anyone right down terrible. Even Machine guns lovers were able properly use their needlessly huge firepower this time.

I think that part of it may simply be that there’s not as much mechanical difference as you might think between a VR shooter and a VR fantasy game. Like, throwing a fireball could be very similar to launching a grenade. We’ve seen a number of examples in this franchise of elite players’ skills being highly transferable between games.

And ALO is known for being a favorite among SAO survivors. Even the ones who weren't on the front lines still logged 10,000 hours of awake full dive. If you weren't just hanging out in the Town of Beginnings the whole time, that makes you way better than the typical player, which in turn forces the other players to up their game to compete.

Pito took down 30+ dudes single-handedly by charging right in bare-handed. Only one actually had the clarity of mind to even try shooting at her. I'd expect similar results from my hamster crawling over my keyboard.

It's not. I checked. No arc of fire. Furthermore, Fukaziroh expressed a preference for "Two-handed Swords, Battleaxes, and Long Lances" which, combined with her high strength and vitality stats imply a barbarian tank-like character. She was also part of the Sylph faction, who are primarily support magic users. I highly doubt that Fuka had any offensive magic in her arsenal, if at all. Whatever skills she picked up, they are non-transferable.

One singular example, actually: Kirito AKA Jesus-kun, a protagonist commonly derided as a Marty Stu for his ability to be awesome at everything with no justification whatsoever. Perhaps not the best example to invoke.

Setting aside the question of any of those skills being transferable to GGO (they are not), not all of those 10,000 hours were spend fighting, and many of the actually difficult bosses (that do not respawn) were taken care of by Kirito and Asuna. Much respect for the people who lived through that, but I don't think it says all that much about their gaming skills.

edited 20th Jun '18 4:56:09 AM by Kayeka

It's not that they are weak, Pito is simply that strong.

Thirty-plus dudes, and they literally didn't even shoot at her. I'll believe Pito is strong when she fights people that don't run around like headless chickens.

edited 20th Jun '18 8:43:00 AM by Kayeka

Sylph are not primarily support magic users! What they excel at is wind and stealth magic! In ALO each race can utilize spells of other elements as well, but the race will be most proficient in the element that they have an affinity for and might not be able to cast high-level magic in an element that they do not have an affinity for. Undines are the race that excels at support magic.

edited 20th Jun '18 11:06:01 AM by RussellStar5641

Yeah, dead people are not that good in shooting...

BTW did you know that Stormtroopers were most elite soldiers in galaxy far away? And that Worf is great warior far superior to punny humans? Sometimes you just have to believe what author try say, even if you personally can't see it.

edited 20th Jun '18 11:53:33 AM by Tenzen12

I stand corrected, but the point remains valid.

And when the author pushes it too far, you get people making fun of them with articles like Imperial Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy and the Worf Effect, because there really is only so much disbelief one can suspend.

And with that, we have officially hit the point of subjective opinion.

edited 20th Jun '18 12:30:59 PM by Kayeka

1) Sure both statements are still valid regardless how much author stretch it or how much fun it's made if it by audience. Stormtroopers are still elites, and Worf is Still mighty warrior

2) GGO is fortunately not that bad either way and majority if people can roll without problem, even if you personally can't for whatever reason.