Batman and Harley Quinn

Someone who doesn't know who she is. She's probably not employed as Harleen Quinzel. She said she wanted to start over and get away from that life, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's got a fake ID and is wearing a Harley-themed costume due to her stunning resemblance to the notorious criminal.

edited 5th Apr '17 6:19:57 PM by TobiasDrake

I gotta say, I love Harley's "rape face". Gonna make it my avatar.

I like her New York accent.

If you're bothering to make a fake ID up and are a good gymnast and at least somewhat knowledgeable on psychology and psychiatry, you'd probably be aiming for a better job than serving tables in a strip bar anyway. And better yet, just move away from the city where everyone has seen your face in the news.

Obviously, that would be the smart thing for her to do, but when do supervillains ever do the smart thing? The clear answer for why she's working in a strip club, given the scene with Dick's Nightwing, is that the writers just really wanted a scene where Harley's working in a strip club and someone grabs her ass. They're sexxing the hell out of her in this movie.

I'm just saying, the explanation they'll probably go with is that she's dressed like that because she looks so much like Harley Quinn so the costume fits her.

I really wonder why it took so long to get Loren Lester to do the voice of Dick Grayson again. Arkham Knight was a golden opportunity even.

Probably because they wanted someone else to voice Nightwing, but also wanted to have a B:TAS voice actor as a nod.

They did it before with Adrienne Barbeau as a psychiatrist in Arkham Asylum.

Plant Master was originally an Atom foe, not a Flash one. My guess is they included him because they felt Ivy alone was no match for the heroes (or they didn't want to make her too evil... despite her being, originally, a serial killer.)

And all this sex stuff with Harley is making me feel uncomfortable, by the way. I would not mind it with the right character, but with her it just feels forced.

Ivy seems to have been portrayed as softened since Batman: No Man's Land where she adopted a bunch of kids and took to actually caring for them. The closest the Florinic Man has ever gotten to a Heel–Face Turn was New Guardians where he fought villains like...Snowflame. Not to mention her canonical friendship with Harley makes it a natural connection without making either seem unreasonable.

Also Harley x Dick. Is Timm just testing all the crack pairings he can?

edited 6th Apr '17 8:33:09 AM by Beatman1

Harley and Dick actually went out on a date in the comics.

Well Mad Love did depict her as slutty.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:36:12 AM by ManOfSin

That's Grayson for you. Girls just can't keep their hands off him.

Harley got clarified from 'slutty' to 'polyamorous', starting a couple of reboots ago-which is when they hammered out her ongoing relationship with Ivy, while Harley also hit on every man and woman she found attractive. Also, that thing they both had with Selina...at the same time.

edited 6th Apr '17 8:41:22 AM by ViperMagnum357

Harley isn't exactly smart, depending on interpretation.

Dick is a circus performer and Harley is a clown. So they are perfect for each other.

The only part I saw in the sneak peek that was posted here that sounds anything like that was 5:30 in that clip.

I'm... really not seeing the part you saw.

But more to the point, even if it is there, I don't really have a problem with the scene being there. It's a cartoon. About a psychotic, clown-attired psychiatrist, a billionaire dressed as a bat, and a circus performer gone vigilante. Bat-villains have a disproportionate amount of Ho Yay with the heroes than practically any other rogues gallery.

Check out 1:10 to 1:14.

edited 6th Apr '17 10:05:43 AM by Gaon

Well that's... considerably different.

Still, standing by what I said. It's a cartoon. People are too sensitive. Fite me. It's also not the first time Harley's done this, or raised the age rating of the cartoon she was in.She's also a supervillain in retirement.

In comparison to Son of Batman, IIRC, Talia raping Bruce was actually the same as the comics. It's not a "glorious moment of storytelling" but that wasn't what bogged down that film for me, it was Batman's voice, Damian's piss-poor attitude, lackluster fights and the final battle between Damian and Slade.

What they needed to learn from that film, they learned through trial and error - Batman vs Robin fixed Damian by developing his character, so that he could be a more likable, Knight in Sour Armor in Teen Titans vs Justice League.

edited 6th Apr '17 10:11:27 AM by Soble

I mean I'm not sure Harley Quinn has raped anyone ever before. Particularly since she's meant to be a sympathetic character in this movie.

Just from the clip you can tell that she's not actually about to rape him, but instead what they're doing is the bit where a character is in a bad situation, it looks like the amoral character is going to take advantage of the situation, and then they cut to the gag that they actually did something different.

The combination of the suggestive but also intentionally vague dialogue and - oddly enough - the click of the light switch (using a sound to kind of "snap" to the cut) is what clinches it.

edited 6th Apr '17 10:18:34 AM by KnownUnknown

This mitigates any ill will I have towards it.

Hell, considering the latter clips, maybe Dick is just really into that sort of thing. Who knows? I think they aren't tone deaf, and specifically said they were going Lighter and Softer this time.

All of these arguments seem to be missing the point that Dick specifically said no. You don't get to rationalize a no. No means no. It does not mean, "Yes if I'm secretly really into it." It means no, because that's how consent f*cking works.

edited 6th Apr '17 10:56:56 AM by TobiasDrake

Nightwing's handtalk about the d-list members of the JLA is hilarious.

As to Dick and Harley: I'll wait until I see the scene in context before I call it anything at all. The later scene where she's on top of him and they're both giggling does seem like it comes later (given that she's in costume and he's not handcuffed to a bed).

Mike Carlin says their during his interview that, as far as this movie is concerned, Dick is attracted to Harley, so I imagine there'll be a lot of flirting. I'll agree, though, that if Harley's trying to live a "normal life" it's odd that she'd stay in Gotham; given that she's extremely intelligent, a trained medical professional and lacks scruples, I find it hard to believe that she'd be reduced to working at "Superbabes," unless she just enjoys it on some level (I expect it confirms her prejudices about humanity). She could probably counterfeit credentials well enough to work in any number of fields. I doubt they'll bother to explain it, unfortunately.

edited 6th Apr '17 11:09:34 AM by Robbery

That would be easy enough to explain. Off the grid, paid in cash, no trail.

My argument is that the scene isn't actually being set up with the punchline as sex, and Harley's "idea" is actually a segue to a Gilligan Cut (or whatever the exact name of this kind of cut is) to something else - the punchline being that we jumped to conclusions. Humor and tone wise, it makes significantly more sense than the alternative.

Which would mean Dick said no, and then Harley respected his wishes and didn't do anything (or wasn't interested in the first place).

edited 6th Apr '17 11:19:54 AM by KnownUnknown