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Deadlock Clock: Jan 19th 2017 at 11:59:00 PM
AHI-3000 Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#1: Nov 2nd 2016 at 1:44:08 PM

(IIRC, I was referred here by a moderator after mistakenly posting this in a different forum.)

The Universal Genre Savvy Guide has grown to be far too massive and excessive in length. It's been proposed on the discussion page to split up the folders into new pages, either turning TUGSG into an index of sub-pages, or creating separate fully-fledged guides that could be listed on the index TV Tropes "How to" Guides.

Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#2: Nov 2nd 2016 at 3:46:17 PM

Opened.

Splitting by folder works. [tup]

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AHI-3000 Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#3: Nov 3rd 2016 at 10:11:58 AM

Whoa, there's about 30 folders. Some of the folders could probably be merged together, or could already be covered by preexisting guide pages.

AHI-3000 Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#4: Nov 5th 2016 at 2:28:05 PM

One thing I wonder is if we split this up into new pages, should we keep The Universal Genre Savvy Guide, or just merge it into TV Tropes "How to" Guides?

Miracle@StOlaf Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#5: Nov 10th 2016 at 1:01:19 PM

I say keep this page, but divide the examples up into three or four broad category pages.

Just please don't zap it. We've been losing a lot of fun-to-read stuff lately in the name of neutrality (which is regretful, but understandable), and this one's pretty easy to keep from getting out of hand, since it's applying real-life to fiction and not the other way around.

edited 10th Nov '16 1:01:44 PM by Miracle@StOlaf

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#6: Nov 16th 2016 at 12:10:11 AM

Part of the problem is that the page is a mishmash of links to on-wiki lists (like the Evil Overlord List or Evil Chancellor List), links to off-site pages, and troper suggestions. I feel like adding the off-site links to TV Tropes Wiki How To Guides would feel odd and change that page's mission substantially; the off-site links, and tropified versions of pre-existing lists like the Evil Overlord List, really make it a subpage of Books on Trope. As such I feel like the folders would not work as well as individual pages, and that the best course of action is to keep The Universal Genre Savvy Guide in something close to its current state and simply split off the largest folders into pages that can stand and fall on their own, like How To Survive A War Movie.

Regardless, the real problem, as I mention on the discussion page, is that the two largest folders, "Villain and Antagonist" and "Heroes and Good Guys", cover incredibly broad categories of characters, with some troper suggestions covering the main bad guy or good guy respectively, some covering specific types of support characters on each side, and some seemingly covering anyone on either side of the fight between good and evil, and it's not always clear which is which. Those two folders also seem to have the pre-existing lists most thoroughly integrated, and indeed in several cases an off-site link introduces the discussion of a particular support character. At the very least they'd need to undergo serious editing before getting split off into their own pages, and it may be that specific character types may warrant their own pages and thus reduce how big a chunk can be removed from the main page at a time.

AHI-3000 Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#7: Dec 2nd 2016 at 3:46:06 PM

Any other suggestions?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#8: Dec 14th 2016 at 1:06:40 AM

Maybe a split between a directory and the troper suggestions would be warranted?

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SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Jan 16th 2017 at 1:40:48 AM

Clock is ticking.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Berrenta How sweet it is from Texas Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#10: Jan 22nd 2017 at 8:45:10 AM

Clock expired; closing.

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