Logan

So I just finished watching, and holy crap, I'm crying my eyes out. It's right up there as one of my most (if not the) favorite superhero films ever. I know that this is a long shot, considering that this film is set long past the X-Men's prime, but I really want to see Dafne Keen come back and take over the mantle of Wolverine. Dafne was brilliant, and definitely the breakout star of the film.

Cinema Wins Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kApOusvOm0

Honest Trailer did their piece on Logan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_SyrpYk-Ik&t=136s

Not surprising that Honest Trailer is so nice to it This is IMO the best superhero movie since the Dark Knight.

edited 27th May '17 11:08:47 PM by Rodongmu

Cinemasin's video on Logan

Here's something you don't see everyday: Guillermo del Toro singing the praises of LOGAN.

I will said the only weakness of Logan are the villians, it feel like necesary weasel at best and very narmy at worst, no that i cared much but they just kinda....stuck there like a sore thumb.

The only one I found kinda unnecessary was X-24.

Rice and Pierce might not have been the most complex villains, but they were entertaining enough, and genocidal racists don't need to be particularly deep in my opinion, just hateable.

Donald Pierce was the better one of the three, because he has that whole Southern drawl, bayou trickster thing going for him, plus Deadpan Snarker tendencies. I'd have honestly just collapsed all three into a single character and called him Donald Pierce.

the Idea of X-24 as "Logan but what if Logan never escaped Weapon X" is pretty cool, though, so I might have kept that.

I just like X-24 for the gore.

When he showed up I was slightly disheartened because I thought he'd be Omega Red from the way they were building up.

Hugh Jackman playing Omega Red could've been awesome.

And yeah, I think I would have liked Southern Fried Corrupt Corporate Lex Luthor Donald Pierce.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 14th 2019 at 1:40:49 PM

Yeah, X-24 was the thing I was most disappointed about. I think they could have just stuck with the Reavers, but I understood why they didn't. They wanted to have a dark mirror of Logan.

They could've brought back Sabretooth, that would have been neat.

I believe there was a deleted scene where Logan goes to a bar Sabretooth runs for help, but Liev Schreiber was too busy filming Ray Donovan.

I didn't like that they were so literal about having a "dark mirror of Logan", it felt too cliched. And a claw-on-claw match just feels too much like yet another Sabertooth/Fakepool fight, which we've seen before. But Omega-'rine could've changed things up just enough, if they did it right.

Edited by Unsung on Jan 14th 2019 at 2:00:32 AM

As long as it’s a gory opponent, anything is fine with me.

Having a dark mirror is one thing, being just a beast is another, which is why it feel disaponting.

Count me in on finding X-24 underwhelming. While his coldblooded murder of Professor X was an effective scene the character would've worked better if he had more characterization beyond being The Brute.

I liked X-24 in theory because he wasn't just a dark mirror of Logan, he was an embodiment of what's really killing him: Age. It's not that he's Eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil Logan, he's Young Logan and thematically, I really dug that. What's killing Logan? Oh, it's the violent actions of his younger self. Hrmmmmmmmmm.

Thematically I adore it. In effect it's not that great in terms of a superhero climax, but that's not really what Logan was, anyway.

I will agree that X-24 isn't a very deep character, but I just don't feel he needs to be. One of my favorite quotes about him is when I was looking for clips before I was gifted the movie on dvd/blu-ray. In it the corrupt farmers are threatening X-24 thinking he's Logan. After X-24 takes a threatening step towards them, their leader says "I'm the law out here." The comment just said "What's the law to an animal?" To me he serves his purpose of being a dark mirror and that's what I like about him. He's the worst of Logan with none of his humanity.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jan 15th 2019 at 10:19:29 AM

I’m pretty sure they looked at the ideas and figured Omega Red was too Comic-booky and didn’t fit the metaphor nearly as well as X-24 did.

I get what they were going for and why — "the hero but young" is a staple of this kind of final hurrah, last-of-the-Old-West kind of story. But because of that, I just found it too much of a cliche, artificial in a way.

Omega Red isn't the only option here, but it's an option I like — the literal life-draining could've tied in nicely, he makes a certain amount of sense as a Reaver, it gives you other options for the fight scenes, and you wouldn't have to change much else about the movie to do it.

You can also still do a "villainous young version of the hero" while making the character more distinct and fleshed out, really. If we stick with the idea of "Omega Red as played by Hugh Jackman", you could have him (rather than be pure feral rage as he is in the film) behave in a very similar manner as Wolverine himself did when we first saw him in the first X-Men movie, with the same cigar-smoking, beer-chugging lone wolf cocksure "I only look out for myself" Blood Knight swagger except working for the villains and being a psycho about it. This would make for a even more palpable look of Logan at his youth and going "shit I was an asshole wasn't I".

There are ways to go about it.

Agreed. I'm not saying that X-24 was perfectly executed, just that I loved him thematically. Like I said, he was sort of dull.

I can agree with that.

Kind of a shame in a way because across the franchise Wolverine managed to meet up with all his major villains in one way or another: Sabertooth (X1 and Origins), Lady Deathstrike (X2) and Silver Samurai (The Wolverine). Omega Red is the only one of the "big four" Logan foes left out, the poor sap.