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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#4926: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:15:06 PM

I had some trouble with her, but only because my team wasn't put together well as I'd only been paying attention to the enemy set up and not which specific mission it was and so ended up with a few Servants who couldn't do anything to her.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#4927: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:15:13 PM

Quetzalcoatl was of average difficulty on easy mode. I kind of wish I could go back and try hard mode.

As noted, none of my Assassins are very good and Scathach can't even hurt her but whatever, support and Cu are all I need most of the time. Carmilla did an alright job though.

Her MR was kind of annoying though, I couldn't land any debuffs on her.

edited 9th Dec '16 7:16:16 PM by Arha

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4928: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:17:19 PM

Isn't Scathach divine? I thought she was.

Well, I'm taking your Cu Alter into that fight, I suppose.

Also, dood, you have arguably the best or second best servant in the game - it would've probably been significantly harder without Cu Alter for you. It's like me saying that the fight is easy because it was pathetically easy for me due to having Cleo, who doesn't even know what Quetzalcoatl's defense buff is, and Jack, who more than makes up for her cut damage with her stupidly powerful anti-women NP.

By the by, every goddess has hella high magic resistance. Ishtar's sitting on 42% or something, and IIRC, Euryale has something like 50% or so.

edited 9th Dec '16 7:20:25 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#4929: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:19:14 PM

I thought you already did Quetzalcoatl? And the problem is that Scathach is Good aligned, which means she deals no damage to her.

And yes, I know Cu is broken as hell. I've admitted as much before. Although the first time I fought her he got focus fired and died almost immediately. I felt like that version might actually have been harder.

edited 9th Dec '16 7:20:55 PM by Arha

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4930: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:20:50 PM

Oh, I did - I have more than one account bro.

One of which doesn't have Cleo and Jack in it. The fight'll probably be a bit more fun without them.

edited 9th Dec '16 7:21:11 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Classifiedzerogoki from Canada Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#4931: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:22:43 PM

The difficulty of Babylon feels the same as the Medb Exhibition match. Gimmicky but not hard. In the beginning, I didn't even use support Cleo against Rider waves and just went with Vlad and used his NP every few turns.

edited 9th Dec '16 7:25:26 PM by Classifiedzerogoki

"Strategy? Spacing? I just keep punching until I hit something." - Sol Badguy
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4932: Dec 9th 2016 at 7:27:12 PM

I would say... It's gimmicky, but not tediously so, like the latter Nero Fest Exhibition fights.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#4933: Dec 9th 2016 at 8:43:32 PM

Gil just gave me 40 gold experience cards. Best king.

Classifiedzerogoki from Canada Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#4934: Dec 9th 2016 at 8:49:32 PM

I fought him with Ozy because it seemed fitting.

Those thingies in Chapter 16&17 are like the Lancer Version of those NP-stealing Assassin ghosts in terms of annoyance. They're not hard though.

There needs to be a node of them for farming considering how easily they give void's refuse.

It's sad that Majin Archer's NP being bugged (the bad kind) means that it's more powerful gameplay-wise than it is normally.

edited 9th Dec '16 10:22:09 PM by Classifiedzerogoki

"Strategy? Spacing? I just keep punching until I hit something." - Sol Badguy
Nouct insert commentary here from an east coast Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
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#4935: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:33:00 AM

Got to the six Ushi Alter fight, ended up having to use Shielder to tank all the NPs for the first turn, then dumped all the NP charge and buffs (from Waver, Ozy and Ishtar) onto Ishtar to clear the first wave, and then Quetzalcoatl and Ishtar cleared out the rest together.

Also I really like Ushi Alter's death animation and sound effects.

absolclaw from a church on a hill Since: Jan, 2001
#4936: Dec 10th 2016 at 3:25:37 AM

I wasn't expecting it to be so bloody. I mean, its probably just grail mud, but come on, its totally blood.

Honestly, I think I prefer Camelot, had a more more Servants I liked than Babylonia.

Holy Grail, huh? Cool story, bro.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4937: Dec 10th 2016 at 5:47:40 AM

Considering how those Ushi were made...

I'm beginning to think the Urobutcher might've killed Nasu, assimilated his corpse and is now masquerading as him.

Also, having had more than a few opportunities to use Lancer Artoria... her NP generation really is much better than anyone thinks it is. I'm spamming Rhongomyniad left and right, and it goes to really ridiculous extents when she's paired with Merlin.

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Xatu44 Since: Jul, 2013
#4938: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:33:27 AM

[up]Well duh, she's a Lancer. Lancers always have high NP gen.

And yeah, Victim Girls Ushiwakamaru is definitely something. Fou assaulting Merlin will never not be funny, though. I definitely screwed up the Ishtar fight, though; she wasn't supposed to have NP power down, right? Or did that NP Power Down apply to me instead of her despite being her status?

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#4939: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:38:32 AM

She's supposed to have it in her real boss fight.

Gorgon down, going for last Kingu fight. Gorgon's full party attacks are much appreciated. They don't do much to even a Berserker but they let me NP practically every turn.

Swimsuit maxed, back to leveling the plugsuit I guess.

edited 10th Dec '16 8:40:54 AM by Arha

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#4940: Dec 10th 2016 at 8:52:26 AM

Lancers don't necessarily have great NP generation. In fact, they average a 'somewhat decent' NP charge rate. The only Lancers that have 'good' NP generation are Tamalancer, Lancer Artoria and Enkidu, though both Tamamo and Enkidu rely on their crits much more than Artoria does, since they're able to generate stars to crit with. Artoria has great natural NP generation AND a skill that gives her 50% NP on a decent cooldown.

She can also first-round-NP with a Sumo CE, and that's actually pretty damn good.

So I just did the 2 million fight against Gorgon with Jeanne Alter.

Not kidding, literally NP every turn from her attacks alone. 0 to 100% literally every turn. Not kidding, every use of her lasers is 80% of Jeanne Alter's NP bar. I went in with Merlin and Mashu to support her, and... well...

Yeah, they're taking 0 damage every turn, healing back at least 2k health every turn, damage is stacking and Gorgon can only get a moment's respite when she stuns. This party is too fun. By turn 10, all three of them were NP'ing every turn.

We need the next raid to star Gorgon. Or enemies with a fuckton of hits on Ao E attacks in general.

edited 10th Dec '16 9:17:34 AM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#4941: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:20:59 AM

I know. Beautiful isn't it?

I just rolled Angra Mainyu.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4942: Dec 10th 2016 at 11:31:18 AM

Congrats on rolling literally the worst servant who might actually be a pretty cool guy despite his job being to bring about the end of the world through helping give birth to all the evils of mankind.

Facing a Gorgon raid boss with Damage CE would be glorious.

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doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
TheCuriousFan from Australia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
#4944: Dec 10th 2016 at 12:32:46 PM

If that was Ereshkigal spamming buffs, then I hope she becomes rollable because that's mad buffing ability. Like, Waver-tier buffing ability. Also she looks like what Extra Rin actually looks like and not her online avatar, so I like that too.
Good news then, she gets a conversation that basically confirms she'll be rollable eventually as she dies.

I need a new sig.
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4945: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:30:09 PM

Yeah, I saw that.

It also won't be the same Ereshkigal - but if she don't care, then neither do I.

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Classifiedzerogoki from Canada Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#4946: Dec 10th 2016 at 1:39:41 PM

I'm at Chapter 20.

"Strategy? Spacing? I just keep punching until I hit something." - Sol Badguy
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4947: Dec 10th 2016 at 2:05:58 PM

So I just fought the first Quetzalcoatl fight with Cleo as the only servant that could damage her.

Succesfully killed her on turn 17, Cleo never dipped below 10k health, though I did use Mashu to eat 2 of Quetzalcoatl's Noble Phantasms.

Cleo is the best servant for that fight by a shot so long Arash wouldn't land it.

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32ndfreeze from Australia Since: Mar, 2012
#4948: Dec 10th 2016 at 2:43:51 PM

Hey IANCE can I add your account that has Cleo or Jack? My best support Assassin is Shuten and other than that I have about 2 leveled non good servants that aren't Casters.

So needless to say Quetzalcoatl is very difficult for me.

edited 10th Dec '16 2:46:05 PM by 32ndfreeze

"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#4949: Dec 10th 2016 at 2:49:41 PM

Code is 784626011 - I have Jack as my assassin support tho. Also, my Cleo's only level 82 with 2/1/1 skills, mostly because I have Jack instead. Have you tried Arha's Cu Alter? He also tears her apart.

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32ndfreeze from Australia Since: Mar, 2012
#4950: Dec 10th 2016 at 2:55:58 PM

Sent a request. Username is: Min

If Jack doesn't work I'll give Cu Alter a shot.

I was a bit worried he might not survive the entire battle all alone. But I could probably switch Medea Lily in to support him.

"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob

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