Opening. What is a "parent-issued high school diploma"? To me it reads like "conflict of interest by unreliable source diploma".
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Such bullshit. Somebody other than your parents or your pastor has to ordain you as someone who can function in society. Someone's got to stop getting bullied by these nutters.
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If they comply with the state's home-schooling laws then shouldn't the state issue a certificate of completing a "high school equivalent" education? In the end why hadn't the home schooled kids got an equivalent to a high school diploma, shouldn't that be a requirement?
Home schooling is a weird one, I know a fair few people who've been home schooled at times and I've seen both sides. The kids who needed it because they didn't work in the system (many of whom I met because home schooling was a stepping stone to alternative education like the school I went to) are one group, but you do get the ones where they are pulled out of the system by parents who want total control over what their kid learns. The second type seem to dominate American discussions about home schooling, but I believe over here we get more of the first group.
Oh and I question the idea that a high school diploma accredits you as someone who can function in society, as someone who had an alternative education I'd say that that's the one thing I did get. I did poorly academically but I learnt how to be a functioning member of society, it would have been the opposite if I'd stayed in the state system.
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But as stated in the article, these are private schools who can set their own requirements - ergo, they can require all applicants to have either an actual diploma, or a GED, and refuse to take the homeschool-equivalency-certificate. Also, most colleges don't actually require a high school diploma or GED to enroll - they base it on your SAT/ACT scores, and possibly an entrance exam.
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I'm thread necroing because there's a trending hashtag about the poor treatment of faculty at Long Island University
#LI Ulockout. What do you guys make of this ? Could it happen at other schools ?
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The article is kind of sparse, but if I'm understanding right then the university administration basically just fired the entire teaching staff? Even if that is legal (which I find dubious) how the hell are they continuing normal classes and operations when they only decided this last week?
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this article has more details. They've tried merging a bunch of smaller classes together, and having TA's teach them, with poor results
edited 7th Sep '16 2:09:07 PM by Xopher001
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THE JET SET: WEALTHY TOURING COLLEGES IN PRIVATE PLANES
On a small dining table, an in-flight reference guide by Ivy League admissions experts offers strategies for maximizing the impact of each college visit. In the front seat is a handwritten note tucked between a Dartmouth baseball cap and T-shirt: We know that this is an exciting and stressful time for you both and we are happy that Magellan Jets could be a part of this milestone. If this doesn’t sound like the way you explored your college options as a high school senior, blame your low bank account balance. The recently launched college-tour package from Magellan Jets, a membership-driven private aviation company based in Boston, has been specifically designed for America’s top earners. With a price tag greater than a year’s college tuition, the program aims to decrease both the headache and the time spent on college campus visits. Magellan takes care of details such as setting efficient travel routes, arranging private campus tours and orchestrating ground transportation. Base price is jet-specific: 10 hours of air time on a light-size, seven-seater Hawker 400XP starts at $52,000, while the same package on the aforementioned super-midsize Gulfstream G200, which can seat up to 18, costs upward of $100,000. The service is completely customizable—Magellan will extend flight time to accommodate additional schools and make the appropriate hotel reservations for a supplementary fee.Magellan says these tour packages are invaluable to the hyper-wealthy kids and parents who use the service (none of whom would speak with Newsweek ). “Unless you’re flying private, there’s just no way to see 10 schools over the course of five days,” says Magellan senior aviation specialist Joseph Santo, who works on trip logistics. “Is it cost-effective? Absolutely not. But for people with busy schedules who can’t take a week or two off of work, it means dollars and cents at the end of the day.”
In fact, the demand for this college-tour service has never been greater among Magellan’s members, says the company’s CEO, Joshua Hebert. Many own planes but for convenience buy a membership that affords them a number of hours per year in Magellan-managed jets. The college-tour package is offered on top of that. “[It’s] one of the things that our clients continued to ask for,” Hebert tells Newsweek . “Finally we said, ‘OK, let’s create a product around this because people are asking for it so much.’”With the package now in its third year, 22 families have bought the designated college-tour package in the past two years, Magellan says. An additional 22 customers used their jets to visit campuses in that period, without purchasing the package.
Your Money or Your GPA
It’s well-documented that America’s top colleges and universities target the wealthy in their recruitment efforts and often lower academic standards for their progeny. It’s been dubbed “the preference of privilege” by Pulitzer Prize–winning journalist Daniel Golden in his book The Price of Admission: How America’s Ruling Class Buys Its Way Into Elite Colleges—and Who Gets Left Outside the Gates. Admissions departments favor wealthy students, even if their applications are weaker than those who are less privileged. Secondary education, after all, is a business. And no top-rated college got that way without donations for expensive libraries, prestige faculty hires and gaudy student centers.Getting into a good school in the U.S. is now seemingly harder than running for president, and admissions practices are becoming less and less transparent, says college consultant Mimi Doe, co-founder of Top Tier Admissions, which provides reference material for Magellan’s college-tour customers. Doe estimates that roughly half the student body at any given institution had some sort of “in” or “hook” (either they were athletic recruits or alumni children or what Golden calls “development cases”—kids whose well-off parents are expected to make sizable donations). While Doe and her business partner, former Dartmouth admissions officer Michele Hernández, have been very successful helping the 1 percent get into the best schools (97 percent of their students get into their top choices each year, they say), they sympathize with those who can’t afford their $30,000 to $50,000 asking price, often offering up free advice on their blog.“Things just aren’t as they appear in admissions,” says Doe. “As a mom and an advocate for this generation, it kills me.”College officials hungry for future endowments can be tipped off to an applicant’s economic status in many ways: by an aggressive college counselor, by an alumnus or board member, or perhaps by a private-aviation company scheduling an exclusive tour for one of its customers. On behalf of those who sign up for their college-tour package, Magellan gladly taps into its network of billionaires, many of whom are high-profile alumni or on the boards at elite universities. “We have a list of schools and customers who went there, and they’re able to make the [application] experience a little better by making the right introduction,” says Hebert.Traditionally, universities sent recruiters to find rich kids at notable prep and charter schools, says Golden. A jet tour like Magellan’s that targets the wealthy and delivers them like a butler offering a plate of Strottarga Bianco caviar takes the work out of the chase. “Money and connections are increasingly tainting college admissions, undermining both its credibility and value,” he wrote in The Price of Admission .If a major purpose of American higher education is to facilitate upward mobility, the system is broken. Colleges favor those already at the top, families who have connections and can afford expensive SAT prep or private counseling from the likes of Top Tier Admissions. Evidence shows that merely interviewing at a college or university enhances one’s chances of acceptance, simply because it implies a level of seriousness about that school. But not all applicants can afford to travel.While elitism in colleges and universities is certainly not news, it’s symptomatic of the growing income inequality among Americans. At a time when the national conversation is so often focused on student-loan debt and the increasing cost of education, Golden finds it alarming that programs like this are flourishing.“Here’s a group of applicants whose parents are willing to pay the equivalent of a year’s tuition just for the convenience and access of a private jet tour,” he says. “Meanwhile, the vast majority of Americans struggle to afford tuition.”
Resurrecting this. A question came up in the misandry thread about whether using pornographic imagery and videos in sex ed iwould be OK. I take, what is common opinion on this?
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When it comes to school systems I'd say common belief is that it's absolutely unacceptable. The actual psychological effects of porn on a child's mind are probably minimal at best (though that depends on the nature of the imagery, of course) so much of the stigma around porn is a socially constructed one. Those videos are for Mommies and Daddies. Pornography is considered taboo in our Western Society and therefore inappropriate unless consumed after reaching a certain mental maturity that for the most part is projected to be 18 years of age.
However there is a line between pornography and what could be considered pornographic. Pornography is intentionally made to titillate. Something could be considered pornographic even of the intention was not to titillate. Therefore sexual education may require materials that can seem pornographic but are not pornography.
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personally, I'd say no, don't use porn to teach kids, its not very informative, given it wasn't made to educate.
as for pornographic imagery? I dunno. I know I personally wouldn't want to have seen it. I know this cuz my 9th grade health did show some pretty explicit stuff, and I remember having to excuse myself and having a panic attack outside the classroom. I'm also Asexual, and sex-replused, so I'm a bit of special case I suppose. :/
Really, I'd say Health and Sex education needs a massive update in terms of not just the actual physical aspects of having sex, but a lot of stuff on "how to have a healthy relationship" and "the multiple types of attraction one can experience"
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Teaching kids sexuality is good. Obviously it can be done well and badly.
Teaching kids sexuality through porn is good or bad? Small children? I'd say bad regardless of execution. Teens? I can see some scenarios that make it arguable, either by contrasting and comparing with real life, or if you count scenarios that require producing porn themselves, but by then it's more of a sex-ed video.
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Teaching kids about How To Relationships in general from day one is important. As they get older, introduce the sexual side of things.
Because if you don't go into the theory of even How To Not Screw Up With The Boss Of Your Saturday Job (let alone other relationships), they'll bungle the practical on their own (by biological or chemical warfare aka insufficient or too much personal hygiene, possibly). 
EDIT: Realised I missed an important bit, "What You Boss Isn't Supposed To Ask You To Do And What To Do And Where To Go If They Do"... <_<
edited 24th Jan '17 9:14:35 AM by Euodiachloris
A procrastination in of itself
Teaching kids about porn could well be a part of a solid sex education. In the end they're going to be exploded to it at some point, you could eliminate a lot of confusion if kids were taught as part of sex-ed that porn is entertainment and not instructive.
Porn can be a useful guide to what not to do in the bedroom, simply having a teacher go over a porn and point out what bits are unrealistic could be a big benefit to some kids.
You don't teach kids about sex via porn, you teach kids about porn via porn, and as kids are liable to be exposed to porn at some point it's probably a good idea to teach them about it so they don't mistake it for something realistic.
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Agreed.
Agreed. But teaching kids about porn is different from teaching kids sexuality through porn.
I think there's a parallel discussion hidden here, which is holding porn to different standards.
I don't think regular porn is suitable for this use, but only because it's more aimed at titillation than at education. If you want to use regular porn to point out how it is sexist and objectifying, then that'd be OK but only for that.
As for using custom-made educational porn? Well, scientifically speaking the notion that watching porn is harmful for minors is largely speculative with little scientific support (c.f [1]). However, you'd run up against social standards there, as Philosopher Stones said. And against the issue I mentioned above of regular porn not being suited for this.
Also, I've never heard of "Teaching kids about How To Relationships" being a topic of education. Maybe I just didn't pick up on it.
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A PornHub video is purely for titlation, has very little to do with reality, and is certainly not educational.
A PornHub video is no more educational on sexuality than an episode of CSI is on actual police procedures.
Good point about teaching children that porn has little to do with reality. However, it would not make up the bulk of sex(uality) education.
A video showing how the genitals work would be educational. As would a Wikipedia article on the reproductive system. I would not call such material porn.
As long as sex education is actually education, instead of boiling down to scary photos of genitals infected with STDs. Places with abstinence-only sex education have higher levels of teen pregnancy, I think?
I've seen schools set up lessons on romantic relationships. Such lessons cover stuff like mutual respect, listening to each other, emotions, etc.
edited 24th Jan '17 2:09:01 AM by hellomoto
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I'd say a definite no, mostly because as a kid I did not want to watch porn. Showing it to me, in class? You'd never get me to come back in the room.
If it was a required part of the class I'd intentionally fail. Nobody can make me watch sex crap I don't want to.
So basically is anybody asking the kids if they consent to this?
edited 24th Jan '17 2:57:27 AM by Murataku
Everybody's all "Jerry's old and feeble" till they see him run down a skyscraper and hijack a helicopter mid-flight.
A procrastination in of itself
Generally you don't ask kids to consent to their education.
You do in some places, but that's done in a very different environment to regular education and is something I could go on a huge tangent about in of itself.
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And, I happen to think that's one of the hold-overs from medieval guilds and colleges that should go jump.
Because a lot fewer maladapted social behaviours would occur if kids were asked their input at many stages — particularly if what they say gets a response other than "do what I say, you'll thank me later". Not to mention a whole lot less confusion about the whole concept of consent would pervade the body politic in later life. :/
edited 24th Jan '17 5:30:53 PM by Euodiachloris
A procrastination in of itself
I agree with you on that but that requires changing the entire system. I spent six years in a system that did bring the kids into the education process, you can't just apply the idea to sex education and walk away way, it's an entirely philosophy and way of doing education. You have to build the system around it and create a place where education consists of more than sitting in a classroom being told things by a teacher.
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Dirty, I wasn't clear — I meant the whole of education, not just relationship, social contract and sex ed.
Murataku: I doubt anyone would actually show porn in a sex ed class. At best, a description of what pornography is and how it's nothing to do with reality. That's the main takeaway of porn in a sex ed class focused on the reality of sex.
I honestly wonder how that would work in regards to, say, sexuality education. Most I've seen is the school getting consent from the parents to teach their child sexuality.
Consider the ages of the children... er, students. What ages are they taught which aspects of sex and sexuality? When and what should they (the students themselves, as opposed to the teachers or the parents) get to choose, without missing out on too much of sexuality education?
I've seen a modular system work out for schools, where students can pick and choose the subjects they want to study as long as they meet a set of requirements such as "at least 2 modules from Foundational Mathematics", and all the modular credits add up to a sufficient number.
There isn't enough content in a sexuality education for a modular system to work out, however.
edited 26th Jan '17 5:35:55 AM by hellomoto
A procrastination in of itself
Generally you'd have the teacher teach the subject but the student would have input on what areas they'd like to study, it would be a constant back and fourth with the kids providing input on what they understand and don't understand and what they need to learn more about.
You need pretty small class sizes to do some talioured learning but it can be done.
Again however you need an environment where learning is constant, kids may not learn certain things in the classroom (especially if attending class isn't compulsory) but those gaps will be filled by them gaining knowledge from being part of a well informed and interconnected community.
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We don't have a general education thread, so here's one. Discussions about education at any level are welcome.
To start things off, an article about homeschoolers suing trade schools
for admission. Emphasis mine.
The Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) is challenging requirements by cosmetology and vocational schools that incoming students show a high school diploma or pass a GED exam to gain admittance.
“A homeschool graduate is accepted into a cosmetology or vocational school — but then, like a bolt from above, the admissions office reverses course,” said William Estrada, HSLDA director of federal relations. “Officials tell the applicant that the school cannot accept homeschoolers.”
The Christian legal advocacy group has handled numerous calls from homeschooled young adults who say they were turned away from trade schools or police departments because they had not passed a General Educational Development exam — which they say graduates of traditional high schools are not required to do.
“Vocational schools are more likely to be audited for compliance with federal higher education laws,” Estrada said. “They’re worried that if they accept a homeschooler who doesn’t have the documentation of a public school graduate, it could cost the vocational school its accreditation.”
The HSLDA is representing two candidates who Christian legal advocates say were turned away from the Ithaca, New York, Police Department because they had not earned high school diplomas or the equivalent — even though both went on to graduate from state colleges.
“One had a bachelor’s degree and the other was a qualified emergency medical technician,” said TJ Schmidt, a staff attorney for HSLDA. “Despite their success in higher education, these graduates were essentially being told to go back to high school.”
The HSLDA claims the police department is violating state law governing educational requirements for officers, which the group argues should permit the two women to join because they hold “a comparable diploma” to high school or its equivalent.
The group is awaiting a response from city officials in Ithaca and will pursue further legal action if the two homeschooled women are not accepted as candidates.
Estrada admits his group had not succeeded in all of its challenges because most vocational schools are privately run and may therefore set their own admission standards — which he complained allowed them to “discriminate against homeschoolers.”
The legal advocate melodramatically related comments made by the president of a cosmetology school — whose voice, he said, was “shaking with rage.”
“I will not let a homeschool graduate into my school unless he or she has a GED,” the school official allegedly told HSLDA attorneys. “My brother had a GED, and if it was good enough for him, it’s good enough for a homeschool graduate.”
The HSLDA has been urging the National Accrediting Commission of Career Arts and Sciences (NACCAS) to loosen its requirements for homeschooled students, and the legal group said the board’s leadership had encouraged affiliated trade schools to accept those students “with open arms.”
Estrada recommended that homeschooled students should present “a parent-issued high school diploma, a high school transcript, and evidence of compliance with your state’s homeschool law” when applying to cosmetology or vocational school.
He urged families to contact HSLDA if the school refuses admittance or requires a GED.
On the other, if I was screening candidates and had a diploma from "Mom's Living Room High" I'm tossing their application in the circular file. There are too many people in the US who use homeschooling as an excuse to indoctrinate their children according to their religion, and leave their kids unable to survive on their own.
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