Diversity and Representation in Media

GOTG is one of the greatest examples of equal opportunity fanservice since even Rocket got his moment.

Drax is a Walking Shirtless Scene.

So is Groot.

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Dont forget Ronan's "hawt bath" scene.

@ GOTG: Really, only Groot, the Nova Corps, the Collector and maybe Rhonan don't have one sexy scene in that movie.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:16:56 PM by shatterstar

Well, unless you think that bathing in blood is sexy....

Groot's walking around naked the entire time and is played by Vin Diesel .

That's not even on the twenty weirdest fetishes you can find online.

Vampires being considered sexy is hardly a new thing.

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I say "sexy scene", not "things that can be considered sexy".

You think the tree dude is sexy ?

Congrats you do make the top twenty.

Incidentally are you Poison Ivy ?

Dude, people have been hugging trees since the 60's.

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"Congrats you do make the top twenty."

Naah. Tentacles, which he has, are practically mainstream.

Seriously ? Hugging= sex for you ? I can't tell if you're a ridiculous prude or a giant pervert .

Hey, I had two options. I could have made a crack about dicks in knotholes and I chose the classier route.

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And I think what we can all take away from this si classy does not automatically equal funny.

You need to see what the room wants.

Dragging this thread back to diversity and away from weird sex fetish, Adam Sandler is making a movie with Jennifer Hudson. It's titled "Sandy Wexler" and about Sandler as a music producer discovered and fell in love with Hudson.

Not sure about this deal. I was disillusion with Sandler so much that I don't think even Hudson can convince that this movie won't be bad and racially offensive.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:38:25 PM by shatterstar

Half the time you see Ed half-naked, he is next to or on a bed, injured, and waiting to heal - after almost freezing to death, after his first encounter with Scar, etc... That's not really empowering. Mustang might be a badass when he gets his fanservice scene, but in that moment, he does not look glorious at all, he looks like he is on the verge of collapsing.

I seem to remember one of Riza's fanservice scenes being with Ed, with whom she has zero romantic tension with, too.

Yeah sexy and injured is one of the most common ways for male fanservice, commonly with a self-insert 'nurse' character to bandage up the guy usually with a Sarashi style wrap that shows off massive amounts of chest like this◊.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:49:58 PM by Memers

Mustang looks pretty damn glorious in his shirtless scene. He's standing upright, has a badass glare, and never falters. Despite his injuries, he holds all the power in this moment and he knows it. Even when Lust manages to recover and send her Ultimate Lance at his face, he does not even flinch and only allows himself to succumb to his injuries after completely, thoroughly, irrevocably annihilating her.

All with a badass musical number behind him, highlighting how awesome he and his actions here are. Mustang's injury doesn't disempower him; it accentuates how powerful he is when he strolls in like he owns the place and promptly becomes the first person ever to kill a homunculus despite them.

You're right about Ed getting more vulnerable shirtless scenes, though.

With Riza, I would say the issue with her fanservice isn't about empowerment or disempowerment, but about being weirdly unnecessary. The main source of fanservice for Riza Hawkeye concerns the alchemical formula for Flame Alchemy that her father tattooed on her back for some f*cking reason.

Like, try to see the train of logic for this. "Only someone who is f*cking my daughter is worthy of my knowledge. Your final test as my pupil is to put your dick inside my child!"

Said no father ever.

EDIT: Not only is it weirdly sexualized, it's also disempowering for Hawkeye to have it there because while it does give her power over who can study Flame Alchemy, having it on her back ensures that she can never be that pupil. She is the only person in the world who can never read her father's formula.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:53:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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Doesn't photography exist by the time the story is set, though? (TBH I only got through 5 episodes of Brotherhood before I decided I was done watching)

The only anime series I've had the time to watch all the way through was Death Note. It's a great show but has huuuuge problems with its female characters. However, the anime films I've seen (mostly Miyazaki) do a much better job.

That's a shame about The Killing Joke; I was going to take my younger sister to go see it because she was really excited about it. I had reservations before, but I really don't think I want to see it now. I'll just reread the new Batgirl series instead, because it's really good.

Yup. As someone who's white and a feminist, I've definitely said some stupid stuff in my life, but the way to deal with getting called out on it is to apologize and try to do better; not to sit around denying you've hurt anyone... I think that part of the problem with discussing this stuff is that people tend to - consciously or unconsciously - react to being called out with "well I can't be racist/sexist/homophobic because only terrible people are and I'm not a terrible person" (especially the first two, unfortunately I know too many people who would be proud to be called homophobic) instead of taking a critical look at what they've said and actually listening what other people have to say. I remember Mark Oshiro (from Mark Does Stuff) once posted something to the effect of "when I tried to talk about some of the racism in the Lordofthe Rings novels I would get people asking me not to call Tolkien racist, as if that label was somehow worse than the act itself," which I think is a good example.

To be fair to Ghostbusters, Patty's actually a much less stereotypical character in the film than what's shown in the trailers; but that doesn't mean that people haven't raised valid concerns about the way she's presented in relation to the rest of the team.

edited 26th Jul '16 5:03:08 PM by Pseudopartition

That's because people have a very closed case mindset on what racism is and in some ways are harder on themselves than they need to be. We get a lot of lip service about how racism is bad and all but it ends up making people see the issue as racism behind an inherent property of someone who makes them BAD, rather than something that they inherited from a bad society even despite their best intentions and otherwise solid moral fiber.

I think most people at some point have said or believed something that was bad at some point in their lives. It's well, bad obviously but it's not the end of the world or anything. People aren't perfect.

, Wait, why is it that some people can be proud to call themselves homophobic but is irritated being labelled sexist or racist? I find this baffling considering the fact that sexuality is probably the only thing that wasn't "obvious". You can see a person's gender and race in first glance but you can't say the same for their sexuality.

edited 26th Jul '16 3:54:29 PM by shatterstar

Welcome to humanity. We're experts at doublethink.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

I knew a guy in one of my old high schools who was proud to proclaim himself a racist and who told me that my parents shouldn't have been married because it was interracial. Somehow he was pretty close to our Algebra II teacher, who was a black woman.

Some people are morons.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?

As an ex-homophobe myself (yep, took me a while), it's because homophobia hasn't yet reached the same level of "inherently wrong viewpoint" as racism and sexism. Reason being is that racism and sexism's social damage effects are obvious to us now. Anyone who denies racism's existence is wrong has to deny their way around the Holocaust and chattel slavery. Anyone who denies sexism's existence has to deny their way around witch hunts and sex slavery and inequal voting rights. But with homophobia, there's still considered "enough leeway" to argue "it doesn't really exist; it's just my view" because the damaging effects aren't visible enough yet. I myself didn't hear very much about them until I started to learn more and more via the Internet.

But this is just in my experience. I live in a pretty liberal area and have heard worse stories about open racism and sexism from friends in other places (as Adric points out). Perhaps it's rarer than I think to pull the "I'm not racist but-" card.

RE: Fullmetal Alchemist. Tobias summed up most everything I would've said. I would add that Ed's shirtless hospital scenes aren't quite as gratuitous because there's still the subtext of "he pushed himself so hard! He's awesome!" but it seems more quibble-ish of me.

edited 26th Jul '16 11:27:42 PM by Tuckerscreator

Jesus christ. Must've taken a lot of self-restraint not to punch him in the face. I probably wouldn't have managed.